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    Сэр Роберт Оуэн, член Верховного суда

    Выдержки из протокола слушания по делу Литвиненко

    Вторник, 17 февраля 2015

    ПРЕДСЕДАТЕЛЬ:           г-н Там, прежде, чем мы начнем, -  я  с удовольствием приветствую г-на О'Коннора в роли Королевского Адвоката, предлагаю ему занять его место защитника

    Сэр, это дело касается событий  25 - 28 октября 2006.

    ПРЕДСЕДАТЕЛЬ:           так.

    Г-Н ТАМ:          сегодня у нас два свидетеля: г-н Мэскол, который будет говорить о том, что установило следствие,  представит Вам документы и показания свидетелей, которые указывают на лиц, находящихся под защитой, непосредственных участников тех событий.

    Есть также свидетель, г-н Бонетти, который так же даст показания по событиям 26 октября, затем я оглашу показания ныне покойного свидетеля.

    так.

    Г-Н ТАМ:  Прошу вызвать г-на Мэскола.

    ПРЕДСЕДАТЕЛЬ:           так.

     

    Детектив КРЭЙГ МЭСКОЛ

     

    Вопросы Г-На ТАМА

     

    Г-Н ТАМ:          г-н Мэскол, рассматривается дело, как Вы понимаете,  по событиями  25 - 28 октября 2006,  которые  содержаться в соответствующих частях Вашего отчета?

     

    Да, я понимаю.

     

    Г-н Луговой приехал в Лондон самостоятельно?

     

    Да. Ранее,  как мы узнали,  с 16 по 18 октября он был с г-ном Ковтуном. После чего 18 октября г-н Луговой и г-н Ковтун, возвратились в Москву.

     

    Так.

     

    Кто и как  оформлял заказы на полеты Луговому в Лондон?

    Это было заказано через Интернет.

     

    Вы имеете подтверждения этому от British Airways?

     

    Да.

     

    Представляю Вам доказательство - INQ003067, на экране.

    Это - показания  свидетеля, г-на Фрайера, официального представителя British Airways?

     

    Да.

     

    Это человек сформировал отчет от British Airways  и может пояснить как его интерпретировать?

     

    Да.

     

    Считаю, что для целей расследования наиболее информативным  является доказательство INQ006411.

     

    Это справка по заказу для г-на Лугового по поездке  25 - 28 октября, не так ли?

     

    Верно

     

    Показания свидетеля г-на Фрайера было датировано 1 декабря 2006, и мы видим в верхнем правом углу там дата от 1 декабря 2006, 1400Z. Похоже

     

    Это когда он сделал запрос и получил подробный отчет по своему заказу?

     

    Чуть ниже этого, есть дата и время 24 октября 2006, 07.43.         

     

     

    Эта позиция  указывает на дату сделанного заказа для г-на Лугового.

     

    Это правильно.

     

    Далее, мы видим в следующей строке слева имя Лугового, рейс BA 875, 25 октября

     

    25 октября, затем номер 3, это означает среда, Вы видите это?

     

    Да.

     

    Затем DMELHR, который  означает  Московский аэропорт Domodedovo, Лондонский Хитроу, не так ли?

     

    Да.

     

    Обратный рейс 872     28 октября из Хитроу назад в Москву.

     

    Да, это правильно.

     

    Далее, мы видим на следующих трех линиях есть некоторые частично отредактированные примечания.        Первая линия - Анджелина на концеМы вчера слышали об Анджелине. Это секретарша г-на Лугового.

     

    Да.

     

    Следующая строка 657 и строчная буква M.  Это последние три цифры  номера мобильного телефона г-на Лугового.

     

    Если честно, не могу сказать.

     

    Хорошо. Мы к этому вернемся позже.

     

     

    Этого даказательства, на данный момент, я думаю будет достаточно

     

    Так.

     

    Прошу продолжать, и перейти к позиции 006413,  увеличьте  верхнюю часть, пожалуйста.

     

    Да, это следующая часть отчета по тому заказу

     

    Это?

     

    Верно.

     

    Здесь мы можем видеть несколько позиций  по  полету, там вот, слева, дата полета 25 октября, не так ли?

     

    Да.

     

    Пункт вылета и пункт назначения, Москва,  Лондон?

     

    Да.

     

    Далее, "запланированное время отъезда" 25 октября 2006, 17.15, и затем запланированное прибытие, 25 октября, 21.10.

     

    Да.

     

    Время по Гринвичу?

     

    Да.

     

    Следующая страница, 6414, верхняя часть страницы, видим  детали обратного полета, вторая позиция, из Хитроу в Москву, время в по Гринвичу с 07.55 до 11.45.

     

    Следующая страница,  видим местное время полета.   Время московское,  21.15, Москва - Лондон,

     

    Да.

     

    Обратный полет 28 октября, 08.55, местное время в Лондоне.

     

    Да.

     

    Луговой заказал без предварительного уведомления полет туда и обратно.

     

    По бронированию им гостиницы,  у Вас есть какие-либо доказательства от г-на Хеннинга, который был помощником-референтом управляющего отеля Sheraton Park Lane?

     

    Да.

     

    У Вас есть его показания, представьте пожалуйста.

     

    Это - INQ003083.           Там, на первой позиции его паспортные данные, которые он представлял лично в  отеле.  Это так?

     

    Да.

     

    Он зарегистрировался в 00.10 часа 26 октября?

     

    Правильно, сразу после полуночи.

     

    Сразу после полуночи?

     

    Да.

     

    Ночью с 25 по 26-е число?

     

    Да.

     

    Теперь перейдем к  INQ016297, пожалуйста.

     

    Он  в своих показаниях указывает, что заказ был оформлен  лично Луговым.  Подтвердить или опровергнуть о его личном участии в оформлении заказа можете?.

     

    "... Подтверждаю, что время на счете квитанции является временем оформления и оплаты заказа"

     

    Да.

     

    Следующий документ, представленный г-н Хеннингом, отчет заказа, INQ006200.    Плохое качество печати.

     

     

    Г-н Хеннинг пояснил, что бронирование гостиницы было  сделано 24 октября?

     

    Верно.

     

    И даты заказа соответствовали датам перелетов?

     

    Да.

     

    То есть, все же  это именно он прибыл ночью 25-ого/26-ого, и затем планировал улететь 28-го?

     

    Это правильно, да.

     

    Таким образом, это были именно те заказы, которые были сделаны г-ном Луговым или для г-на Лугового и мы не знаем кем конкретно.

     

    Вы опрашивали британцев, которые могли бы подтвердить перелеты Лугового?

     

    Да.

     

    Вы получили объяснение от агента по корпоративной безопасности г-на Фрэнсиса, доказательство  INQ003201?

     

    Верно.

     

    Предлагаю перейти прямо к объяснениям.        Сначала, -  полет за границу, пожалуйста,  INQ019290.

     

     

    В этих полях ID номера рейса,  таким образом, это тот самый рейс за номером  BA 875, Москва - Лондон.

     

    Да.

     

    Затем дата 25 октября 2006.

     

    Да.

     

    Затем следующая позиция, -  прибытие/отъезд

     

    Да.

     

    Третья позиция "Запланированный", время по Гринвичу 17.15 25 октября. В первой позиции  мы видим местное время 21.15,  затем справа, время 21.41, фактическое время, - вылет из Москвы.

     

    Да, это правильно.

     

    Фактическое прибытие по местному времени 25 октября, 22.54.

     

    Это правильно.

     

    Это как раз перед 23:00.

     

    Да.

     

    Следующая позиция, самолет, G-BNWX?

     

    Да, эта надпись на крыле самолета.

     

    Дале, перейдем к доказательству  INQ006448.

     

    Декларация на пассажира?

     

    Верно.

     

    Необходима для учета пассажиров, находящихся в полете.

     

    Верно.

     

    Следующая позиция, - имя, - Г-н Луговой, 25 октября, BA 875, "06K"?

     

    Да, это подтверждает его личное присутствие.

     

    Это то место в самолете, где он сидел?

     

    Да.

     

    Следующая позиция означает, что человек лично зарегистрировался, за 80 мин перед вылетом?

     

    Да.

     

    Спасибо.

     

    Таким образом, похоже, что г-н Луговой полетел в Лондон и прибыл сюда перед 23:00?

     

    Да.

     

    У нас имеются личные пояснения г-на Лугового п этой поездке, INQ002738.

     

    Это - официальный перевод,  интервью г-на Лугового в России.

     

    11 декабря 2006.

     

    Да.

     

    Пояснения  г-на Лугового.   "Вторая поездка 25-28 октября 2006.       На  25 октября... приблизительно в 21.00 часа (Москва)  из аэропорта Domodedovo, авиакомпанией  British Airways  я полетел...", "... один в Лондон через аэропорт Хитроу.  Номер рейса не помню,  бизнес-классом. Из аэропорта, в полночь, на такси я приехал в отель Sheraton Park Tower на Пиккадилли."

     

    Да.

     

    Таким образом, г-ну Луговому потребовалось 01ч 15 мин, чтобы добраться до Пиккадилли?

     

    Да.

     

    Пока все сходится,  не так ли?

     

    Да.

     

    У вас имеются показания администратора гостиницы, г-на Мональо,  INQ007750.

     

    Да.

     

    Который показал, что г-н Луговой ранее там уже бывал.

     

    Это прибытие в гостиницу 25 - 28 октября, было уже третьим, что он подтвердил документально.

     

    Да.

     

    Бланк - заказ,  INQ006395, регистрационный бланк, который г-н Луговой подписал собственноручно, когда прибыл в отель.

     

     

    Комната 848.

     

    Номер кредитной карточкиMC для MasterCard, Номер карты, окончание 2018.

     

    Верно.

     

    Тогда г-н Луговой поставил свою личную подпись, которую мы видели и в других документах.

     

    ID счета г-на Мональо, это в INQ006492.

     

    В перечне доказательств имеются указания на стоимость номера

     

    Да.

     

    Имеется ли иной вход в Bracewells, ресторан в отеле?

     

    Думаю, да, да.

     

    GBP 19.95. Прокат авто - GBP 380.

     

    Да.

     

    Об этом расскажет г-н Бонетти позже, не так ли?

     

    Да.

     

    Комната из бара отеля в Palm Court?

     

    Да.

     

    27 октября имелся другой вход в Bracewells,  в этом нет никакой тайны,

    через него люди приходили  в рестран завтракать.

     

    В тот день записи работников о приемах пищи имеются?

     

    Думаю, да, да.

     

    В 09.45 вечера, со слов г-на Хеннинга,  был телефонный звонок

     

    Да.

     

    Переходим к стр. 493

     

     

    Используемая кредитная карта была картой со сроком до 2018 года?

     

    Да.

     

    Вам предоставили план здания восьмого этажа, где находится комната 848?

     

    Да

     

    В третьем ряду комнат 842, 844, 846, 848  имело место загрязнение?

     

    Да.

     

    Что до сегодняшнего дня вызывает у нас беспокойство.

     

    Вы идентифицировали комнату.

    Да, комната 848

     

    Спасибо.         

     

    Из за большого промежутка видеозапись регистратора в холле стерлась.

    Была удалена после через шесть недель

     

     

    Доказательства расследования ведут в комнату г-на Лугового

     

    Верно.

     

     

    Г-н Луговой имел отношения с Continental Petroleum Limited, которая спонсировала г-на Ковтуна в первую поездку с 16 по 18 октября. Правильно, не так ли?

     

    Да.

     

    Перейдем к распечаткам телефонных переговоров.  INQ017809.

     

     

    Будем указывать последние три цифры номеров телефонов

     

    Телефон г-на Литвиненко, самый первый по списку

    586 - Литвиненко 1?

     

    Да

     

    Затем другой телефон - 469 - Литвиненко 2?

     

    Да.

     

    Телефон Литвиненко 3, заканчивается 707.

     

    Да.

     

    Тогда можем мы продолжать к первому входу Lugovoy, 160.

     

    17        Это - цвет извести.        Это довольно слабо.     Можете Вы видеть

     

    18        это, 160, номер британскго оператора?

     

    Да.

     

    420, то, которое мы знаем, является Lugovoy 2.

     

    Да.

     

    И это так же номер британского оператора?

     

    Номер телефона Андрея Лугового (российский оператор)", заканчивается 657?

     

    Да.

     

    Телефонный номер - 666, принадлежал Г-ну Патаркацишвили?

    Верно.

     

    Номер 932, так же британский,

     

    Это правильно, да.

     

    Так, звонок в  23.35 с телефона  Лугового поступил г-ну  Владимиру Воронову.           Вы видите это?

     

    Да.

     

    Г-н Воронофф - кто-то связан с Continental Petroleum Limited?

     

    Да.

     

    Нас не интересует  предмет их разговоров, только факты тел соединений.

     

    Утром, 26 октября, 8.29, г-н Луговой звонит  г-ну Щедрину, из Continental Petroleum Limited?

     

    Верно.

     

    Далее в своем интервью г-н Луговой говорит:  "Следующим утром я проснулся в 7.00, созванивался с Щедриным, и  приблизительно в 9.30 поехал в отель. Мы встретились на улице у входа в здание, где расположен его        офис.   Во время встречи мы обменялись документами, кто кому что передал,  я не помню."

     

    Это - то, что он вспомнил.

     

    Далее,  г-н Луговой продолжает говорить: "В 10-11 часов на такси я путешествовал за пределами Лондона, встречался с г-ном Патаркацишвили."

     

     

    Затем консьерж отеля встретил г-на Лугового на автомобиле Чоффеур-Драйв.

     

    Это было организовано через компанию Чоффеур-Драйв?

     

    Да.

     

    Вы получили заявление от г-на Апсделл,  директора этой компании.

    Да.

     

    Г-н Апсделл говорит - он был директором chauffeur.chauffeur.com Limited:

     

    "Фирма предоставляет  услуги такси нескольким Лондонским отелям, включая Шератон Парк-Лейн."

    Далее он описывает процедуру  получения заказа от Шератон Парк-Лейн, чтобы встретить г-на Лугового.

     

    Да.

     

    Документы фирмы, INQ006403,

     

     

    Шофер - г-н Бруно Бонетти?

     

    Да.

     

    Тип транспортного средства, E класс, дата работы, 26 октября,

     на  левой стороне - слово "счет",

     

     

    Клиентом был Lugovoy, мы отчетливо видим его имя.

     

    Это ясно напечатано, да.

     

    Адрес погрузки - Парк-Лейн и детали поездки,

     

    это похоже на A/D?

     

    Возможно.

     

    Пятая позиция, левая колонка - "Lugovoy".

     

    Да.

     

    "Из" колонки "отель Park Lane"?

     

    Да.

     

    Летерхед и затем примечание?

    Да.

     

    "Пи-Лейн"?

     

    Да.

     

     "Ричарда"?

     

    Да.

     

    Маршрут номер 8813?

    Да

     

    Далее, "Бруно"?

     

    Да.

     

    Г-н Бонетти  chauffeuring встретил г-на Лугового тем утром?

    Правильно.

     

     

    Спасибо, г-н Мэскол.

     

    Г-Н БРУНО БОНЕТТИ

     

    Вопросы Г-Ном ТАМОМ

     

                Г-Н ТАМ:          Г-н Бонетти,  назовите свое полное имя, пожалуйста?

     

    Мое полное имя - Бруно Марио Бонетти.

     

    Сейчас Вы не работаете, это верно?

     

    Да.

     

    Вы раньше работали шофером?

     

    Да.

     

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     10 Q. Before I go on to ask you details of the day that we are 11 interested in today -- well, can I first of all say 12 this: please take your time when you're answering 13 questions, don't feel rushed because we want to know 14 what you have to say without tripping over yourself and 15 getting confused. So please don't rush. 16 You have with you, haven't you, a couple of witness 17 statements that you made to the police, is that right? 18 A. Yes. 19 Q. Can I just identify them with you? Is one of them dated 20 28 November 2006? I think you'll find it's the longer 21 one of the two that you've got there. Let me just help 22 you with where you'll find it. You see at the top it 23 says in quite big letters, "Witness statement", at the 24 top of the page? 25 A. Yes. 31 1 Q. Then a couple of lines down, it gives your name? 2 A. Yes. 3 Q. Then there's a solid line and a declaration and then the 4 word "signed", and then it gives your name. Do you see 5 that? 6 A. Yes. 7 Q. Then next to it there's a date, towards the right-hand 8 side of that line. 9 A. Yes. 10 Q. Have you got one that's dated 28 November 2006? 11 A. 28 November. 12 Q. 28 November 2006. If you just look on the front page of 13 that, let's just go back to where the word "signed" is, 14 can you see near the top of that page on the left-hand 15 side? 16 A. Yes. 17 Q. "Signed. "BM Bonetti"? 18 A. Yes. 19 Q. You see that? Then just go along the same line to the 20 right, you see it says "date: 28/11/2006", can you see 21 that? You can see that? Okay. 22 Then if you can look at the other statement, please, 23 that you made to the police, the shorter one. I'm 24 sorry, you may have three. The one that you have there, 25 if you look in the same place on that page, does the 32 1 date there say "1/12/2006"? 2 A. That's correct. 3 Q. Have you actually got an even shorter statement that's 4 about this long? Yes, okay. That one is actually also 5 dated 28/11/2006. 6 A. That's correct. 7 Q. Are those the three statements that you've got there? 8 A. Yes. 9 Q. Can you help us with one other thing. You've got 10 a sheet with you to your right that you've handwritten. 11 A. Yes. 12 Q. Are those some notes that you made for yourself? 13 A. Yes. 14 Q. Can you just tell us when you made those notes? 15 A. Last week. 16 Q. Why did you think it was a good idea to make the notes? 17 A. Just to remind me certain date, that I won't get it 18 wrong. 19 Q. Because it all happened a long time ago. 20 A. 2006, that's correct. 21 Q. I just want to ask you this. When you made those 22 handwritten notes, were you trying to do it from your 23 own memory? 24 A. Plus my book that I had -- working -- 25 Q. Your diary? 33 1 A. Diary, yes. 2 Q. Was there anybody with you when you made the notes or 3 were you on your own? 4 A. No, I was by myself. 5 Q. That's all your own work? 6 A. Yes. 7 Q. Now, it is a long time ago, so if there's anything that 8 you don't immediately remember and you think you might 9 need some help from the statements that you made nearer 10 the time, please say so and we'll try and help you. 11 A. Okay. 12 Q. Were you in court for the last few minutes when 13 Mr Mascall was giving evidence? 14 A. Yes, I was. 15 Q. When I was asking him about the booking of you to do 16 this job? 17 A. Yes. 18 Q. It's right, isn't it, that at the time that we're 19 talking about -- that's in late October 2006 -- London 20 Chauffeur Drive was a company that you used to do work 21 for regularly? 22 A. Yes. 23 Q. Is that right? Were they the only company that you 24 worked for? 25 A. No, there was another company as well, plus I had 34 1 private clients who sometimes rang me. 2 Q. So you were a true subcontractor? 3 A. Yes, I was self-employed as well with my own car. 4 Q. London Chauffeur Drive was a regular client of yours 5 then? 6 A. Yes. 7 Q. Thinking about 26 October itself, the day that you took 8 Mr Lugovoy, how much recollection do you have now of 9 that day? 10 A. I picked him up from the Park Lane Hotel about 10.30 in 11 the morning. 12 Q. Let me just wind it back a bit. Do you remember getting 13 the phone call from Mr Upsdell, or Tom -- did you know 14 him as Mr Upsdell? 15 A. Tom. 16 Q. Tom phoned you? 17 A. Yes, he rang me and he gave me the booking, I think the 18 day before, he said, "Are you available? Can you do 19 this job for me tomorrow, 10.30 in the morning? It's 20 about a five, six hour job?" I said, "Yes, I'm 21 available all day". 22 Q. Can I just ask you about that. Are you sure that he 23 phoned you the day before, or might it have been the 24 same morning that you did the job? 25 A. What Tom said, did he said something different than 35 1 I just told you? 2 Q. What Tom said was that he had a call from the hotel at 3 9.00 am that morning and that he then called you to ask 4 you to do the job. 5 A. But then I'm sorry, I said the wrong thing before, 6 definitely then it must be -- I agree with Tom, yes. 7 Q. There's no need to apologise, Mr Bonetti. So Tom asked 8 you to do the job and it was to pick up Mr Lugovoy, you 9 said, at the Park Lane Hotel? 10 A. (Witness nods) 11 Q. Do you now remember where it was that you were told you 12 had to go? 13 A. No, he didn't tell me where to go. 14 Q. He didn't tell you. Was that because you've now 15 forgotten or was it because neither he nor you actually 16 knew where Mr Lugovoy wanted to go? 17 A. Yes, that's right, he didn't know and I didn't know 18 either. He said when Mr Lugovoy was in the car, he will 19 tell you where he's going. 20 Q. You might have heard me asking Mr Mascall about the 21 letters "A/D". Is that something that you can help us 22 with? What does "A/D" mean? 23 A. No. 24 Q. Have you heard of the phrase "as directed"? 25 A. As directed, yes, obviously. 36 1 Q. Okay. Was this job an as directed job? 2 A. No, it wasn't, it was just pick Mr Lugovoy up and then 3 he will tell you where he's going. In fact, he didn't 4 even know where he's going, he had to rang, when he sat 5 in my car, used his mobile, he dialled a number, he 6 spoke to this guy, and then he entered -- he gave me his 7 mobile, and I spoke to this fellow, and he gave me the 8 first direction. He didn't give me the -- where to go, 9 the beginning. He said go so-and-so, Legoland will be 10 on your right, the first traffic light turn right and 11 then stop about half a mile down the road, and give 12 me -- and ring me again. So I think -- 13 Q. So both you and -- 14 A. I didn't find that unusual, but I said I don't know 15 what's happening here. 16 Q. So both you and Mr Lugovoy were getting directions as 17 you were going? 18 A. Yes, that's correct. 19 Q. Because neither he nor you knew where you were going. 20 A. Yes. 21 Q. Okay, I'll come back to that if I may. Can I just ask 22 you for a moment about the diary that you refer to. 23 A. Yes. 24 Q. Is that a diary in which you write down all your jobs? 25 A. Yes. 37 1 Q. Do you keep the diary in the car with you? 2 A. Yes. 3 Q. Was that how you did it? 4 A. Yes. 5 Q. So would you write the jobs down as you did them day by 6 day? 7 A. Yes. 8 Q. I want to ask you to have a look at something on the 9 screen in front of you, please. Can we have up 10 INQ006402. Do you recognise that document? 11 A. Yes, I do. 12 Q. That's a photocopy of your diary, isn't it? 13 A. That's my diary. 14 Q. One of the things that's happened is that the actual 15 dates are, I think, invisible here, but we can see 16 Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. 17 A. Yes. 18 Q. I think we can, if we need to, work out exactly what the 19 day is from the original, but you see the top right-hand 20 corner there, that's in your handwriting, isn't it? 21 A. Yes, and it says: Mr Lugovoy, to pick up Mr Lugovoy at 22 the Park Lane Hotel. 23 Q. Let's just start in the very top line, 24 "Chauffeur Chauffeur", that's who you got the job from? 25 A. That's correct. 38 1 Q. "Pick up at 10.30 am. The Park Lane Hotel." 2 The next few letters after "hotel", do you see 3 "AS/DIR", is that what it says there? 4 A. Yes. 5 Q. Can you help us with what means? 6 A. As directed. 7 Q. In the chauffeur business, what does that mean? 8 A. That means that you will be directed by the client, the 9 passenger. 10 Q. So basically then what Mr Lugovoy was doing that day? 11 A. Yes. 12 Q. You picked him up and then he would tell you where he 13 wanted to go? 14 A. Right. 15 Q. We've got "Mr Lugovoy". I want to ask you about the 16 next few lines. You say -- is that "M4" that you've 17 written there? 18 A. Yes. 19 Q. Can you just read out those lines? 20 A. "M4, Hammersmith Bridge. Follow the A3. Turn off 21 Chessington". 22 Then "Oxshott", because then I've written down while 23 I was in the car, I stopped there. That's the first 24 indication he gave me, this fellow, where I was taking 25 him. 39 1 Q. Where you were to take him, okay. And sorry, before 2 I ask you some more about that, can you help us with 3 that last line, the word starting with "L"? Can you now 4 remember what you'd written there? 5 A. Yes, it's short for "Leatherhead", it's my way of ... 6 Q. Yes, and then on the right-hand side, the words starting 7 with that letter A, is it after something, turn left? 8 A. Yes, when you do, you reach a T junction and then turn 9 left. 10 Q. So you've anticipated the question I was going to ask 11 you, which was why did you write all this down in your 12 diary? 13 A. Because to remember where I was going in case 14 Chauffeur Chauffeur was asking me, because they didn't 15 know where I was going. 16 Q. Okay? 17 A. Yes. 18 Q. Now, at any rate, between you and Mr Lugovoy and his 19 phone calls on a number of occasions, you eventually got 20 him to the destination that he wanted to go to, didn't 21 you? 22 A. Correct. 23 Q. We don't need to ask you the details of exactly where 24 that was, but I do want to ask you about the journey 25 down there and your conversation with Mr Lugovoy. Did 40 1 you talk to him very much? 2 A. No, not very much. 3 Q. What was he doing? 4 A. He was always on the phone talking to somebody, I don't 5 know which, in Russian or whatever. To me it could be 6 even Chinese, I don't speak Russian. 7 Q. So you didn't understand -- 8 A. I speak different language, but not that. No, 9 I couldn't understand a word of what he was saying. 10 Q. Where in the car was he sitting? 11 A. He was sitting -- I am on the right, it's a right-hand 12 driven car and he was on the left. 13 Q. That's the near side, isn't it? 14 A. Yes, the back, not next door to me. 15 Q. The back seat? 16 A. The back. 17 Q. On the left-hand side? 18 A. On the left-hand side. 19 Q. When you eventually got to the destination, what sort of 20 place was it? Was it an office, a hotel or something 21 else? 22 A. I reached this nine-foot iron gate. He had to ring 23 again because it was opened electronically by the guy 24 inside, so it was open and it was a very big place 25 there. So there was about four or five cars parked in 41 1 front, and there was plenty of room as well for other 2 cars to park there. 3 Q. Can you remember anything about the cars that were 4 there? 5 A. Yes, there were a couple of S class Mercedes and then 6 there was a Maybach, which is the car -- there was 7 a chauffeur there cleaning that car or dusting, rather, 8 because he was cleaning it just before. 9 Q. Okay. Was the chauffeur anybody that you knew? 10 A. No, I didn't know. I discovered later, because I spent 11 several hours there, that he was the guy that spoke to 12 me and gave me the directions, and he is the chauffeur 13 in -- the house chauffeur for this fellow that 14 Mr Lugovoy was visiting. 15 Q. So some time on the journey down, you had spoken to him 16 to get directions? 17 A. Yes, spoke to him about three times. 18 Q. When you got there, what did Mr Lugovoy do? 19 A. He went into the house. Somebody came out to greet him. 20 This was this fellow with the nice moustache and he was 21 dressed in a jogging suit. He probably was the owner of 22 the place. They greeted one another, and then he went 23 in. 24 Q. How long was it before you saw Mr Lugovoy again? 25 A. He came out about 3.00 in the afternoon to tell me he 42 1 wouldn't be long, and he finished there about 6.00. 2 Q. So let me see, if you picked him up in the middle of the 3 morning, what sort of time was it when you arrived at 4 this place? 5 A. Roughly about midday or just past, because we wasted 6 time, we stopped on the way three times to ask for the 7 directions, and then I got lost. 8 Q. I think we've all had that experience. But Mr Lugovoy 9 was there at the house for about six hours or so? 10 A. Yes. 11 Q. During that time, you managed to get something to eat 12 and drink yourself, didn't you? 13 A. Yes, I left the place for about an hour. I went for 14 lunch, because, you know, I couldn't have asked them to 15 give me something to eat, and I said, okay, I've got 16 plenty of time -- he told me he would be about two, 17 three hours, so, okay, I asked can I get out again, he 18 said, yes, give me a ring when you come back because 19 I've got to open the gate for you, to this chauffeur, 20 the house chauffeur, and that's what I did. 21 Q. Did you see anybody else arrive at the house? 22 A. Yes. Before I left for lunch, there was another 23 chauffeur-driven car, there were about three people come 24 out, a tall guy, they spoke probably Russian, and then 25 a couple of old Americans. 43 1 Q. You say probably Russian and Americans. 2 A. Yes. 3 Q. How did you know what their nationality was? 4 A. American, because I notice -- they could have been 5 Canadian, but usually the American accent I do 6 distinguish. 7 Q. So it was listening to the accents as they were talking? 8 A. Yes, because they were five, six yards away from me, 9 they were talking to one another. I discovered that the 10 other guy was Russian because the chauffeur told me, the 11 house chauffeur, he was there wiping his Maybach, he 12 said he had this friend, "I go often to his place", he 13 lives I think in Holland Park, or something like that. 14 Q. So the chauffeur told you that this man was Russian? 15 A. Yes. 16 Q. And this man was a man who was also visiting? 17 A. Yes. 18 Q. Can you describe what he looked like? Was he tall or 19 short? 20 A. He was a tall guy, yes, that's definitely. What he 21 looks like I didn't really -- I'm not a private 22 investigator, so I didn't really look. 23 Q. Did you ever speak to the person who you thought owned 24 the house? 25 A. No, not at all. The only fellow that spoke there was 44 1 the chauffeur. 2 Q. So you then left the house with Mr Lugovoy at about 3 6.00, is that right? 4 A. Correct. 5 Q. Where did Mr Lugovoy want to go? 6 A. He said, "Take me back to the hotel". 7 Q. On this journey, where was he sitting in the car? 8 A. Again, in the same place. 9 Q. In the same place? 10 A. The back, left-hand side. 11 Q. How long do you think it took for you to get back to the 12 hotel? 13 A. It took about an hour and a half, because it's the rush 14 hour, and we were back about 7.30. 15 Q. Okay. You'd never seen Mr Lugovoy before, had you? 16 A. No. 17 Q. And indeed you never saw him again after this? 18 A. Thank God for that. 19 Q. Well, let me just ask you this, though: when Mr Lugovoy 20 left you, did you think that you might see him again? 21 A. Not really. He talked to me that he was going -- there 22 was a football match, he was going to watch it, and we 23 were talking about -- a little bit about football, but 24 that's it, no. 25 Q. Was this a football match that was going to happen in 45 1 the near future? 2 A. I think it was -- yes, it was playing, his team, there 3 is a shareholder, whatever, CSKA Moscow was playing 4 Arsenal I think in the cup. 5 Q. They were going to be playing in London? 6 A. They were going to be playing in London. 7 Q. And it was about a week later? 8 A. I think it was about a week later, yes. 9 Q. So this was the match you were talking about? 10 A. Yes, this is the match. 11 Q. Did Mr Lugovoy say where he was going to watch the 12 match? 13 A. No. 14 Q. Did he say he was coming back to London? 15 A. I think he said he was coming back to London, yes. 16 Q. Was he interested in having a car or a driver for that 17 trip? 18 A. No, he didn't ask me. 19 Q. He didn't ask you? 20 A. No. 21 Q. Just a couple of final things please, Mr Bonetti. Do 22 you have the statement that's dated 1 December, please? 23 A. Yes. 24 Q. You see I don't need to know any of the details of the 25 clients that you mention here, but do you remember in 46 1 this statement you told the police about other clients 2 that you had after the day that you drove Mr Lugovoy? 3 A. Yes. 4 Q. I just want to ask you a few questions about this. You 5 had some more clients on the following day, 27 October, 6 didn't you? Do you see that in the second and the third 7 line? 8 A. Yes. 9 Q. And then after that, the next passengers you had were 10 not until 6 November. Do you see that? 11 A. Yes. 12 Q. So that's something like ten, eleven days later. 13 A. Yes. 14 Q. Is that normal not to have a job for that long? 15 A. No, what's happened is I was almost really part-time 16 then because I was buying some property at the auction, 17 and I took some time off rather than drive people 18 around, and I went to the auction. 19 Q. Then we see that after 6 November you then had more 20 regular work through that month? 21 A. Yes. 22 Q. Until the police came to talk to you and to test your 23 car. 24 A. That's correct. 25 Q. It's right, isn't it, that the police took your car away 47 1 for some time? 2 A. They banned my car. 3 Q. Because it was contaminated? 4 A. Because they thought it was contaminated and as it 5 happened it was. I didn't know that. 6 MR TAM: Thank you very much, Mr Bonetti. Sir, unless you 7 have any questions? 8 THE CHAIRMAN: No, thank you very much indeed, Mr Bonetti. 9 A. Thank you. 10 MR TAM: Thank you for coming and thank you for your help. 11 Sir, the next thing that I was going to do was to 12 read Mr Patarkatsishvili's statements. It might take 13 a little longer than five minutes, but probably not much 14 longer. Shall I -- 15 THE CHAIRMAN: Let's have that and then we'll break. Yes, 16 thank you. 17 MR TAM: Sir, I should just preface this by saying that the 18 two statements cover slightly wider territory than just 19 this period of time, but it will be convenient if I just 20 do this and then we won't have to come back. 21 THE CHAIRMAN: Yes. 22 MR ARKADY PATARKATSISHVILI (evidence read) 23 MR TAM: The first statement that he made was dated 24 24 January 2007. He gives his name as 25 Arkady Patarkatsishvili, but he explains: 48 1 "I am the person named above, also known as Badri. 2 I currently reside at an address known to police in 3 Georgia with my family. I am currently the chief of the 4 Georgian National Olympic Committee, a position I have 5 held for about two years. I am also a businessman with 6 a number of interests in companies throughout Georgia. 7 These include a television station called IMEDI. I am 8 a part owner of this company with News Corporation. 9 I have an interest in a number of magazines and an oil 10 business called Kulevi. Kulevi takes oil from 11 Azerbaijan and ships it to the Black Sea. I am also the 12 chief of the business federation in Georgia. I do not 13 own any businesses in the UK, nor do I have an office or 14 have any employees. I travel all around the world 15 promoting my businesses. I come to London 10 to 15 16 times per year. Boris Berezovsky is a business partner 17 and a good friend of mine. I have known him for over 18 20 years. This statement deals with my knowledge of and 19 relationship with Alexander Litvinenko. 20 "I first met Alex about ten to twelve years ago in 21 a club in Moscow that Boris had restored. It was Boris 22 that introduced me to Litvinenko. This was not unusual 23 because Boris has introduced me to literally hundreds of 24 people. I saw Litvinenko many times in the club and 25 understood that he was a friend of Boris. I did not 49 1 find it easy to get on with Alex. In fact, I thought he 2 was a little crazy. I was aware that Litvinenko was 3 employed by the FSB previously known as the KGB. I do 4 not know what his actual position and rank were within 5 the FSB. He talked too much about his work with the FSB 6 and said that the FSB wanted to kill Boris. I just told 7 him to tell Boris. 8 "Around this time, I was a part owner of 9 a television station in Moscow called ORT. This company 10 was founded in 1994 and originally was 51 per cent owned 11 by the state and 49 per cent owned by banks but run by 12 Boris and I. 13 "Around 1998, Boris and I had a number of joint 14 businesses including LogoVAZ, a car dealership; ORT, 15 a television station broadcasting in Russia which was 16 the equivalent of BBC1; TV6, an independent TV company; 17 Kommersant, the equivalent of the Financial Times 18 newspaper; Sibneft, oil, and RUSAL, aluminium. 19 "I believe the value of these companies to be tens 20 of billions of dollars. At this time, Primakov became 21 the Prime Minister of Russia. Boris and I became aware 22 that instructions had been given by persons associated 23 with Primakov to arrest us. It was common knowledge 24 that Primakov had a list of 50 to 100 people to be 25 arrested. Boris was number 1 and I was number 4. 50 1 I believe that I was targeted because I was the eyes and 2 the hands of Boris and also his financial manager. 3 "Litvinenko protected us and did not allow us to be 4 arrested. In November 1998, Litvinenko and three other 5 FSB employees appeared on television and revealed a plot 6 to kill Boris Berezovsky. In early 1999, police were 7 given instructions to arrest Boris and I. One 8 afternoon, a number of officers came to our club. They 9 wanted us to come to a police station. We knew that 10 once we were there, we would be arrested. The police 11 had Kalashnikov rifles and were wearing clothing bearing 12 the insignia of police. They also had identification. 13 "Litvinenko was in the club at the time and 14 confronted the police officers. He showed them his FSB 15 identification in an attempt to stop them from taking 16 us. Boris tried to find somebody in the Kremlin who 17 would persuade the police not to arrest us. 18 Subsequently, we were not arrested. Boris made a speech 19 on television some time later. Some time after this, 20 Primakov was out of government and the problem almost 21 disappeared. 22 "However, official investigations started against 23 Litvinenko. He was arrested because he went against the 24 FSB but was subsequently released. 25 "Litvinenko and Boris had very good relations at 51 1 this stage. The FSB had been destroyed and the 2 disciplinary structure had started to break down. Many 3 people had started to ask for money in the form of 4 bribes. Boris and Litvinenko had the same goal in that 5 they both wanted to establish good structures in Russia. 6 "Through Litvinenko, Boris felt that he could apply 7 these structures to the FSB. They met every day and 8 consulted with a few other professionals who were with 9 the FSB. I was not close to Litvinenko and only saw him 10 from time to time with Berezovsky at the club. 11 "Litvinenko wanted to come to the UK. He was very 12 afraid that he was going to be killed. He did not 13 disclose to me any threat that he had received because 14 we did not have close relations. To be honest, although 15 he had done nothing bad to me, I did not like him much. 16 He was a difficult guy to speak to. He had crazy ideas 17 about Russian politics. He wanted to build Russia into 18 a good country, but he was so obsessed by the FSB 19 because of the way he was treated. 20 "As far as I know, he came to the UK in 2000. 21 "I next saw Litvinenko in 2002 or 2003. He came to 22 Georgia with a guy called Felshtinsky. They were 23 looking for a Chechen guy who they believed could give 24 evidence in court against the FSB. They believed the 25 FSB were implicated in blowing up homes. They were also 52 1 doing research for a book. They stayed in Tbilisi for 2 two to three days. Litvinenko was very happy with his 3 life in England but still wanted to make things right in 4 Russia. I am aware that Berezovsky was supporting him 5 financially in the UK. 6 "On 23 January 2006, I attended Boris Berezovsky's 7 60th birthday party at Blenheim Palace. About 200 8 people attended. I briefly saw and spoke with 9 Litvinenko. He seemed happy and seemed to have no 10 concerns with his life. I saw Litvinenko a few times in 11 Boris' office last year, but only said hello and goodbye 12 briefly on each occasion. I last saw Litvinenko on 13 26 May 2006. On this date, Boris had won a libel action 14 at the High Court and had been awarded GBP 50,000. He 15 held a function to celebrate. Litvinenko was there and 16 again I spoke briefly with him. 17 "Some time in November 2006, whilst I was in the UK 18 visiting Boris' office, a member of staff told me that 19 Litvinenko was ill. I recall that Boris was out of the 20 country. I was aware through the press coverage that he 21 was ill in hospital through suspected poisoning. Some 22 time after I returned to Georgia, Boris phoned me and 23 told me that Litvinenko had died. I did not come to the 24 UK. I did not attend the funeral. 25 "I have been asked about my knowledge of 53 1 Andrei Lugovoy. Konstantinovich is his father's name. 2 I have known him for 13 years. I cannot recall how we 3 actually met but was aware that he worked in security 4 for government people, probably FSB. 5 "When Boris and I started ORT, we needed a security 6 structure. As the government mainly owned ORT, the 7 Kremlin recommended Lugovoy. Lugovoy became our head of 8 security. He was a nice guy who worked very hard, 9 a good employee, and he gave a lot of good information. 10 He solved many of our company's security problems. At 11 the end of 2000, Boris and I were forced out of ORT. 12 After his release in 2002, Lugovoy organised my personal 13 security in Georgia. I had to cancel the contract with 14 him in 2006 because it was not good to have Russian 15 bodyguards in Georgia. 16 "Lugovoy lived in Russia and every two months would 17 come to Georgia to meet with me. He would come with 18 various ideas, trying to convince me to go into business 19 with him. He would always bring something to me that he 20 thought I should know. At one stage, he was talking 21 about some oil business. He is very organised. 22 However, I do not consider ex-FSB to be good 23 businessmen. As far as I know, he started a water 24 business near Moscow. He asked me to be his partner, 25 but I declined. 54 1 "Records in my office indicate that Lugovoy was last 2 in Tbilisi 17-19 November 2006 and was due to return 26 3 and 27 November 2006. We would have records, because 4 sometimes we organise a car for him. 5 "I last spoke with Lugovoy in early December 2006. 6 He phoned me on my mobile when I was in Boris' office in 7 London. The call lasted about two minutes during which 8 we discussed my personal security in Georgia. He wanted 9 to come to Tbilisi for a meeting. During this time, his 10 name was featured prominently in the press as being 11 involved with the death of Litvinenko. However, he did 12 not feel that he had any problems coming to Tbilisi. 13 I told him that if he was clean, he was obliged to give 14 evidence as soon as possible. I asked him who the third 15 person was that the press was saying he brought to 16 England with him. Lugovoy said he did not bring anyone. 17 He told me that he had been to the British embassy in 18 Moscow to make a statement. I told him not to worry 19 about coming to Tbilisi. I told him I did not believe 20 he was involved in Litvinenko's death but recommended 21 that he come to Scotland Yard to discuss his knowledge 22 of and involvement with Alexander Litvinenko. He agreed 23 my idea was correct. He said that this would be a good 24 idea. I would like to think that he was not involved in 25 Litvinenko's death. 55 1 "I have no knowledge of Lugovoy attending a CSKA 2 match in England, nor do I know who he had business 3 meetings with during his visits to the UK. I know that 4 he has recently appeared on a television station in 5 Russia. I know all the people who work in the 6 television business due to my previous connections. 7 I have no idea what Lugovoy was talking about because 8 I missed the interview. My daughter called me to say 9 Lugovoy was on but by the time I turned over, I only 10 briefly saw his picture. I am absolutely of the opinion 11 that Litvinenko was poisoned by the Russian security 12 service. In my 20 years of knowledge about Russia 13 I know what their structures are. They have done this 14 because he was from there and secondly to warn 15 Berezovsky that he was the next one. Svetlana who works 16 at Boris' office told me that Litvinenko told her 17 several months before November 2006 that he had been 18 poisoned and that Boris would be next. 19 "Nobody believed him because he had said these 20 things many times before. 21 "I have also been asked whether I know of or have 22 had any dealings with a person called Kovtun. I have no 23 knowledge of any such person." 24 Sir, the second statement, a shorter statement, is 25 dated 8 March 2007. Mr Patarkatsishvili says: 56 1 "Further to my statement dated 24 January 2007, 2 I have been asked what I know of any meetings that took 3 place at my wife's house. This is a property we have 4 had for a year. I do recall that towards the end 5 of October 2006, I had a meeting with Andrei Lugovoy, 6 Vladimir Voronoff and Marti Pompadour. I have already 7 described in an earlier statement my knowledge of 8 Lugovoy. I have known Voronoff for 10 to 12 years. He 9 is Russian. As far as I know, he is the chief of the 10 Moscow office of News Corporation, with whom I have 11 a joint business interest with IMEDI Television and 12 Radio. I believe he has a residence in London. I am 13 not aware if he has any business concerns in the UK. 14 "Pompadour is employed by News Corporation. He is 15 either a vice-president or director of their European 16 concern. I have had numerous meetings with Voronoff in 17 the past years. I cannot recall who suggested meeting, 18 but I think it was Voronoff. The purpose of the meeting 19 was to talk about business, particularly outdoor 20 advertising in Moscow. This is a News Corporation 21 business. Voronoff and Pompadour wanted to check some 22 of their ideas and ask a few questions of me because of 23 my experience. 24 "I suggested the meeting took place at my wife's 25 house because I was staying home all day. I had spent 57 1 the previous night [and address is given]. Voronoff and 2 Pompadour arrived together shortly before the meeting in 3 a two-seater car. Lugovoy came on his own in a hire car 4 or taxi. I think he called my driver Steve for 5 directions to [an address]. The meeting took place on 6 the patio some time in the afternoon and lasted one to 7 two hours. We would have had tea or coffee. I had 8 particularly invited Lugovoy along to advise Voronoff 9 about a security problem News Corporation had in Moscow. 10 Lugovoy and Voronoff had met many times before in Russia 11 and Georgia. No notes were taken of the meeting, nor 12 was the date entered in any diary. The meeting was 13 amicable. Afterwards we agreed that a further meeting 14 would take place in Georgia. Litvinenko was not 15 mentioned. Although I am not sure of the exact date 16 in October 2006 that the meeting took place, this was 17 the only occasion that Lugovoy visited [that address]. 18 I remember being told by Boris that Lugovoy was meeting 19 him for tea on 31 October 2006. This is my birthday. 20 The meeting took place a few days before this. 21 "I cannot recall what happened after the meeting, 22 but I know Lugovoy returned to London by car alone. He 23 may have used a local mini cab company. Voronoff and 24 Pompadour returned to London together. I cannot recall 25 whether I had other meetings that day or with whom. 58 1 "Shortly after a police officer took my original 2 statement, I had a number of phone calls from Lugovoy. 3 In a short period, he called many times. This is out of 4 character for us. On the first occasion he said, 'Look, 5 Badri, I inform you I did not kill Litvinenko'. I think 6 he understood that someone was listening to his calls 7 and that his comments were for his benefit. Although he 8 did not mention where he was, I believe he made the 9 calls from Russia. He seemed more interested in doing 10 business with me than he previously had." 11 Sir, that ends those statements. 12 THE CHAIRMAN: Yes, we'll take a ten-minute break. 13 (11.24 am) 14 (A short break) 15 (11.39 am) 16 DETECTIVE INSPECTOR CRAIG MASCALL (continued) 17 Questions by MR TAM (continued) 18 MR TAM: Thank you, Mr Mascall. Can I pick up the story 19 again with you with the question of contact between 20 Mr Litvinenko and Mr Lugovoy on that day, 21 26 October 2006. 22 A. Yes. 23 Q. What I'd like to do is to start by going to what 24 Mr Lugovoy had to say about this. 25 Could we have up on the screen, please, INQ002698. 59 1 Just to identify this, this is the Metropolitan Police 2 officer's note of the interview with Mr Lugovoy done in 3 Russia, isn't it? 4 A. That's correct, it is, yes. 5 Q. So within that can we please go to 2701? Sorry, it's 6 INQ002701. Can we have the bottom half of the page. 7 You see that this note says: 8 "The second trip was on 25 October to 28 October." 9 It's the same section of the interview that we 10 looked at before the break. 11 A. Yes. 12 Q. I'll come back to it again. The second paragraph on the 13 screen there is: 14 "On 26 October 2006, Litvinenko phoned me at about 15 15.00 hours several times to arrange a meeting but I had 16 no plans to meet him. I told him I was busy and out of 17 London, but I could meet him later. Litvinenko said he 18 would wait and that he had a suggestion." 19 Do you see that? 20 A. Yes, that's correct, yes. 21 Q. Now obviously we know that Mr Lugovoy was out of London, 22 he was at the meeting that we've just been hearing 23 about. 24 A. Yes. 25 Q. But there's a definite statement there from Mr Lugovoy 60 1 that he had no plans to meet Mr Litvinenko. 2 A. Correct. 3 Q. Can we then, please, go to INQ002745. 4 About a third of the -- do you see picking up from 5 where we were before, you see the reference to 6 Mr Patarkatsishvili and the meeting a quarter of the way 7 down that page? 8 A. Yes. 9 Q. Mr Lugovoy says he was talking to him about business and 10 bringing him an investor, and that: 11 "We finished the talk about 17-18 hours." 12 That's about 5.00 to 6.00 pm? 13 A. Yes. 14 Q. "Starting from 15 hours several times and with 15 enthusiasm Litvinenko telephoned me and suggested that 16 we meet, although I had no plans to meet with him during 17 this trip. Of the date of my next trip to London, 18 I informed Litvinenko during the previous trip and on 19 26 October 2006 in the morning, I telephoned him, told 20 him that I was in London, warned him that I had many 21 things to do and therefore I was not prepared to meet 22 with him. When he telephoned me after 15 hours, I then 23 informed him that I was very busy, that I am in the 24 country, that I will return to the hotel in the evening 25 and that I am not prepared to meet with him. 61 1 "Litvinenko replied that he is in central London and 2 is ready to wait for me as long as it takes. He 3 explained this as having a proposition for me but did 4 not specify what." 5 Do you see that? 6 A. Yes. 7 Q. That's a slightly fuller account of that part of the 8 interview. 9 A. That's correct. 10 Q. And probably explicable by the way in which your 11 colleague's note was taken, which we'll find out about 12 in due course? 13 A. Yes. 14 Q. Can we also, please, have INQ001788 to identify this 15 document. 16 You see this is the witness statement made by 17 Mr Lugovoy, the first witness statement made by 18 Mr Lugovoy in the Berezovsky-Terluk litigation? 19 A. Yes. 20 Q. If we can go, please, to 001809 and there's a section 21 there that starts "Meeting on 25-26 October"? 22 A. Yes. 23 Q. In paragraph 131, that first paragraph: 24 "This was another business trip where I was due to 25 meet with some contacts in London as regards some 62 1 proposed work. I did not intend to meet with either 2 Mr Litvinenko or Mr Berezovsky on this trip. 3 However ... whilst I was at Mr Patarkatsishvili's 4 house ... I received a call from Mr Berezovsky", 5 et cetera? 6 A. Yes. 7 Q. Do you see that? No intention to meet Mr Litvinenko? 8 A. No. 9 Q. Could we then, please, have a look at the telephone 10 schedule. If we can go to INQ017809 -- sorry, I think 11 that's the first page, just give me a second. If we can 12 go to 874, please, 017874. 13 Now, you remember we were looking at this page 14 before the break? 15 A. Yes. 16 Q. Can I draw your attention to -- well, first of all, 17 let's just go back to 932, 933, you see those lines that 18 we looked at before where Mr Lugovoy called Mr Voronoff 19 late on the night of the 25th, just after he'd arrived 20 in London? 21 A. Yes. 22 Q. And then called Mr Shadrin early the following morning 23 at 8.30? 24 A. Yes. 25 Q. Then do we see at 937, there's one call from Lugovoy to 63 1 Litvinenko? 2 A. That's correct. 3 Q. At 10.09, and then the next contact that we see between 4 the two of them is at line 956. 5 A. Mr Litvinenko calls Mr Lugovoy, yes. 6 Q. He calls Mr Lugovoy, but in fact the call goes straight 7 through to voicemail. Is that right? If you see the 8 time for 956 and 957? 9 A. It would appear so, yes. 10 Q. Thereafter it's not until 2.10 -- sorry, this is going 11 on to the next page, please, at line 963, the second 12 line on that page -- that Mr Lugovoy calls Mr Litvinenko 13 back? 14 A. Yes. 15 Q. At 2.10? 16 A. Yes. 17 Q. That telephone schedule would appear at least to be 18 consistent with the longer explanation given by 19 Mr Lugovoy of his contacts, ie that he called 20 Mr Litvinenko once in the morning of the 26th and said, 21 "I'm too busy, I can't see you this trip"? 22 A. Yes, the calls are consistent, yes. 23 Q. But then after that, we then see in the rest of the page 24 while we've got it up the further calls. 25 There's one at 16.30 which is line 975, 64 1 Mr Litvinenko calls Mr Lugovoy, that goes through to 2 voicemail. Do you see that? 3 A. Yes. 4 Q. Then at line 9 -- it's actually line 978 that 5 Mr Litvinenko calls Mr Lugovoy, and then going to 6 voicemail is actually the line before, the two lines 7 have got transposed. 8 A. Yes. 9 Q. Do you see that? Then five minutes later at line 979, 10 Mr Lugovoy calls him back? 11 A. Yes, that's correct. 12 Q. At line 989, there's a call from Mr Litvinenko to 13 Mr Lugovoy going to voicemail, and the same again at 14 line 991? 15 A. Yes. 16 Q. Then at line 993, Mr Lugovoy calls him back. 17 A. Yes. 18 Q. And calls again a minute later. 19 A. Yes. 20 Q. Possibly a dropped call. We've all had those. Then two 21 minutes after that, at line 995, is Mr Litvinenko 22 calling Mr Lugovoy back? 23 A. Yes. 24 Q. Then finally at 7.35 pm, we see line 1005, there's one 25 more call, this is Lugovoy to Litvinenko, 7.35. That's 65 1 the last call between those two that evening. 2 A. Yes. 3 Q. If we can go, please, to the cell site evidence which is 4 INQ019311, if we identify the exhibit, do you remember 5 that, I think we looked at this briefly yesterday. Can 6 we go on, please, to 320 which is a map showing the 7 cells involved at this part of the early evening of 8 26 October. 9 A. Yes. 10 Q. The green numbers are Mr Lugovoy's number, aren't they, 11 160? 12 A. That's correct, yes. 13 Q. The dark blue lines are Mr Litvinenko's number? 14 A. That's correct, yes. 15 Q. 586. Starting in the bottom left-hand corner of this 16 map, we can see Mr Lugovoy's progress through inner 17 south-west London, can't we? 18 A. Yes. 19 Q. Coming through Roehampton or near Roehampton and into 20 Wandsworth, just before 7.00 pm, and then getting closer 21 to Knightsbridge by 7.23? 22 A. Yes, it's consistent with his trip back from Leatherhead 23 back into central London. 24 Q. That's right. Mr Bonetti's timing that he's just given 25 us almost spot on? 66 1 A. Yes. 2 Q. Then we can see certainly before 7.00 that Mr Litvinenko 3 is already in the vicinity of the Park Lane Hotel? 4 A. Yes. 5 Q. Having done that, I have managed to skip over part of 6 the history which is to show Mr Litvinenko actually 7 coming to town that day. Can we have a look, please, at 8 INQ002837. Do you see this is a statement from 9 Mr Hodgson. I think we've probably had this up already 10 or mentioned it, producing the Oyster card data? 11 A. Yes, that's correct. 12 Q. Can we then go next to the Oyster card history which is 13 006489. 14 That's the first page of it, isn't it, of the whole 15 printout. If we go on to the next page, 490, we can see 16 that towards the bottom of that page, can we have the 17 second half of the page, looking at 26 October, that's 18 five lines up from the bottom, 11.51, Mr Litvinenko is 19 boarding a bus, the 134, that started at 20 Tally Ho Corner? 21 A. Yes. 22 Q. Then about a quarter of an hour later, he's then at 23 Highgate tube and enters the tube system, and then gets 24 out at Tottenham Court Road at 12.30? 25 A. That's correct, yes. 67 1 Q. What we do have from the hotel -- sorry, going back to 2 the 7.30 -- is the receipt from the Palm Court bar at 3 the hotel. Can we have, please, INQ006346. 4 We see there a slip, it looks like the breakfast 5 slip, but this time it's from the Palm Court? 6 A. Yes. 7 Q. The date is there given as 26 October 2006 and the time 8 is 19.50. 9 A. Yes. 10 Q. We've got three glasses of wine, red wine, one 11 Punch Punch, which I think is a cigar? 12 A. I believe so. 13 Q. Yes, marrying that with things that Mr Lugovoy has said, 14 I think it looks like this was something he bought every 15 time in the bar? 16 A. Yes, the reason I didn't recognise it straightaway is 17 it's a different make of cigar and a different receipt, 18 but that is possible. 19 Q. Yes, and then two teas which of course, as we've heard, 20 could have been for Mr Litvinenko? 21 A. Yes. 22 Q. And that would all match with the account of them 23 meeting up that day. 24 A. Yes. 25 Q. Then Mr Lugovoy then signs for that? 68 1 A. Yes, he does, and it's to his room, 848. 2 Q. Just to note, because I'll come back to this when we 3 look at a receipt later on, the time of 19.50 is the 4 only time on this receipt, isn't it? 5 A. Yes. 6 Q. So if we took what Mr Henning said at face value, it 7 would be the time that the bill was settled or paid? 8 A. Yes. 9 Q. But that would be quite soon after Lugovoy actually 10 arrived back at the hotel, if that were correct. 11 A. Yes. 12 Q. While I'm thinking about it, can I just ask you this 13 about the bar: did you yourself make any visits to the 14 Palm Court bar? 15 A. Yes, I did. 16 Q. To see the layout and the equipment that they had there? 17 A. Yes. 18 Q. Did you see the teapots there? 19 A. Yes, they're silver metal teapots. 20 Q. They're silver metal teapots? 21 A. Yes. 22 Q. So very different from the ones at the Millennium Hotel? 23 A. In the Pine Bar, yes. 24 Q. Then finally for 26 October can we just show 25 Mr Litvinenko going home. Let's go back to INQ006490 69 1 please. The very bottom of that page, do we see him 2 entering the tube system at 10.10? 3 A. That's correct, 22.09, yes. 4 Q. And Green Park tube very close to the Park Lane Hotel? 5 A. Yes. 6 Q. And then he gets out at East Finchley? 7 A. Yes, at 22.58. 8 Q. At 22.58, and that's a regular route home for him. 9 A. Yes. 10 Q. May I then move on to 27 October, please. Can we have 11 up INQ006347. We can see there the date and time 12 27 October, 9.11. This is back at Bracewells and this 13 time Mr Lugovoy is having continental buffet for 14 breakfast? 15 A. Yes. 16 Q. And again charged to his room? 17 A. Yes. 18 Q. Thereafter did you discover that he went out shopping 19 from the hotel? 20 A. Yes, he did. 21 Q. The first place he went to was a shop called 22 Hawes & Curtis, wasn't it? 23 A. That's correct. 24 Q. You got a statement from a Mr Angelini? 25 A. Yes. 70 1 Q. Which we can have a look at, please, at INQ003136. 2 He gives his occupation as shop manager and in the 3 second and third lines, he says he is the store manager 4 of Hawes & Curtis. He describes what Mr Lugovoy bought, 5 but we see there just at the redaction that it's 6 MasterCard 2018 again? 7 A. Yes, it's the same card. 8 Q. Yes, and in fact if we have a look at the receipt, 9 I think we have got that at INQ006352, please. 10 We see that card number on the credit card slip. 11 A. Yes. 12 Q. And a familiar looking signature there from him. And 13 the time on the credit card slip just below the 14 signature is 10.05. 15 A. Yes. 16 Q. Mr Lugovoy then went to a shop called -- I'm not sure 17 how you pronounce this, Uniqlo? 18 A. I'm none the wiser, sir, but I believe so. 19 Q. You got a statement, didn't you, from Mr Choi? 20 A. Yes. 21 Q. INQ003137, please. Mr Choi says he's the store manager 22 for that outlet, Uniqlo in Regent Street, and he found 23 a transaction this time paid for with a Visa card. 24 A. Yes. 25 Q. In fact we have the receipt for this one as well, don't 71 1 we, at INQ006355, and you can see there in the top 2 right-hand corner the time there, 10.34? 3 A. Yes. 4 Q. And Mr Lugovoy's signature. 5 More substantively, after that, did you discover 6 that Mr Lugovoy then went to the office of 7 Continental Petroleum? 8 A. Yes, he did. 9 Q. We said of course that this is a company that features 10 a number of times. One of the things that you obtained 11 was a copy of the visitor's book at that address? 12 A. Yes. 13 Q. Can we have, please, INQ006389. So a visitor's book in 14 quite a familiar format. It's a book for the whole 15 building, isn't it? 16 A. Yes, that's correct. 17 Q. It's not just Continental Petroleum. 18 A. That's right. 19 Q. Yes. From this, we can see, can't we, that Mr Lugovoy 20 had actually been there earlier in October, so if you 21 look at line 10, there's actually Mr Lugovoy there, 22 signing in on 16 October, together with Mr Kovtun? 23 A. Yes. 24 Q. So that's actually, for our purposes, the first time in 25 this part of the history that they've been to this 72 1 building. 2 A. Yes. 3 Q. And that -- 4 A. Certainly Mr Kovtun, anyway. 5 Q. Yes. Certainly Mr Kovtun's first time in London. 6 A. Yes. 7 Q. So definitely the first time. And then for this chunk 8 of the story -- 9 A. Yes. 10 Q. -- Mr Lugovoy goes there. We know that 16 October -- or 11 that the trip of 16 to 18 October is a trip that is 12 associated with some polonium contamination? 13 A. Yes. 14 Q. The following day we have Mr Lugovoy and Mr Kovtun 15 coming in again to Continental Petroleum. 16 A. Yes. 17 Q. And they're at 14 and 15. Then if we go over two 18 pages -- no, three pages, please, to 392, at line 12, do 19 we there have an entry for 27 October, Mr Lugovoy? 20 A. Yes. 21 Q. Do we find him there? The time given there is 11.30? 22 A. That's correct. 23 Q. That comes comfortably after the shopping that he's 24 done. 25 A. Yes. 73 1 Q. Then just to complete what we can get from the visitor's 2 book, if you go -- actually, no, before we go over the 3 page, can I just draw attention to the last four lines 4 on this page. Do you see 17, 18, 19, 20, they're 5 entries dated 31 October, do you see that? 6 A. Yes. 7 Q. Then if you look in the time column on the right-hand 8 side, the times given are 9.00 for the first two 9 visitors, and then 13.30 for the last two on that page. 10 A. Yes. 11 Q. Can we go over to the next page, please, to 393. The 12 very first line we've got 31 October again, do you see 13 that? 14 A. Yes. 15 Q. Then the time in on the right-hand side is 2.30. Yes? 16 A. Yes, that's correct. 17 Q. I think we can probably infer from that that it's likely 18 to be 14.30 hours, 2.30 pm. 19 A. Yes. 20 Q. Given that we've just gone over the page. And then 21 we've got further times in the right-hand column of 22 3.20, 5.00, 5.00, and then in line 6 what looks like 23 01.15, although that may be me not being able to read 24 that properly. 25 A. Yes. 74 1 Q. But certainly by line 7 we've got 9.30. 2 A. That's correct. 3 Q. It's possible, isn't it, that by then we are into 4 1 November, although nobody's actually written that into 5 the date column. 6 A. No, that's correct. From my experience from looking at 7 these books throughout this investigation, they're very 8 ad hoc and not very accurate. 9 Q. Yes, because -- and the important part is the next two 10 lines we've got Lugovoy and Kovtun, and while we know 11 that Mr Lugovoy was here on 31 October -- I know this is 12 evidence we'll come to next week -- 13 A. Yes. 14 Q. -- but we've introduced it in your report, Mr Lugovoy 15 was here on 31 October, Mr Kovtun didn't arrive until 16 1 November. 17 A. That's correct, and Mr Lugovoy was in England on the 18 31st at around 8.00 pm at night. 19 Q. So these entries might well have been 1 November? 20 A. That's correct. 21 Q. So that's what we get -- sorry, that's what we get from 22 this page. Can we just go over to the next page and 23 look at line 7, we see one more entry for Mr Lugovoy, 24 this time on his own, on 2 November. 25 A. Yes. 75 1 Q. That means what we get from the visitor's book itself? 2 A. Yes, we do. 3 Q. Obviously we will have evidence from a number of people 4 at Continental Petroleum next week, and we'll be able to 5 hear more of the details about that? 6 A. Yes. 7 Q. But for today's purposes, we have the record of 8 Mr Lugovoy going there at about 11.30 on 27 October? 9 A. Yes, we do. 10 Q. It's right, isn't it, that it appears that he was there 11 for about three or four hours from 11.30? 12 A. Yes. 13 Q. And we get that in fact -- can we go to INQ002702, 14 please? 15 The second half of the page starting "on 16 27 October", if we could enlarge that part. 17 He says he left the hotel at 10.00, went for a walk 18 until 11.30, he met Shadrin, that's Mr Shadrin of CPL, 19 in his office? 20 A. Yes. 21 Q. "We had a meeting in the conference room which lasted 22 three to four hours. I left at about 1600 hours." 23 A. Yes. 24 Q. If we can go to INQ002746, the longer record of that. 25 The very top of the page: 76 1 "Whether the time of the visit is mentioned, I do 2 not remember. I met Shadrin in the same hall as before. 3 This meeting went on for 3-4 hours. There were the two 4 of us." 5 A. Yes, and I think where he says I left Shadrin at about 6 6.00 hours, I think that's a typo, it should be 7 16.00 hours. 8 Q. Yes, it should be 16, because that's the format of the 9 times in the rest of the records, isn't it? 10 A. Yes. 11 Q. After that, it's right, isn't it, Mr Lugovoy said he met 12 Mr Fomichev which we can see in about the seventh line 13 in that page? 14 A. Yes. 15 Q. At the Hilton Park Lane, and he says that they had 16 a conversation for about 30 minutes. 17 A. Yes, he's a business associate of Mr Patarkatsishvili 18 and was also known to Mr Berezovsky and Mr Litvinenko. 19 Q. Then after that, Mr Lugovoy says that he then went to 20 Mr Berezovsky's office, we see that about halfway down 21 that page there? 22 A. Yes. 23 Q. You see the second time the Hilton Park Lane was 24 mentioned: 25 "She suggested that after the meeting I come to 77 1 Berezovsky's office which is not far from that hotel and 2 that by that time he would have returned. That's why 3 after the meeting with Fomichev I went towards 4 Berezovsky's office." 5 There was a meeting that he describes there. 6 A. Yes, that would be the natural route from that hotel 7 takes you past that office. 8 Q. If he'd had that -- if he had visited like that, would 9 that have then placed him, Mr Lugovoy, potentially back 10 at the Park Lane Hotel at about 5.00? 11 A. That's correct, sir, yes. 12 Q. What I want to do next is to have a look at the 13 telephone contact between Mr Lugovoy and Mr Litvinenko 14 on this day, which is 27 October. 15 A. Yes. 16 Q. Can we please have up the telephone schedule. Can we go 17 to page INQ017876, please. If you look at line 1034, 18 just to place this chronologically, you see that this is 19 the start of 27 October. 20 A. Yes. 21 Q. Down this part of the day, there's no contact between 22 Mr Lugovoy and Mr Litvinenko, and the contact starts at 23 the top of the next page, 877, the very first line, 24 1069, do we see Mr Litvinenko calling Mr Lugovoy? 25 A. Yes, at 2.21. 78 1 Q. Yes. Then there's a series of further calls between 2 them, so looking at line 1081, Mr Litvinenko calling 3 Mr Lugovoy. 4 A. Yes. 5 Q. And then -- sorry, that's at 15.38. And then if you go 6 down to line 1102, 16.38. 7 A. Yes. 8 Q. Mr Lugovoy calling Mr Litvinenko. At 16.47, 9 Mr Litvinenko calling Mr Lugovoy, getting his voicemail? 10 A. Yes. 11 Q. And so on and so forth, until the last call between them 12 is at 17.09 at line 1110, do you see Mr Lugovoy calling 13 Mr Litvinenko? 14 A. Yes. 15 Q. Before I move on from that, I just want to highlight the 16 ciphers that are being used here. At line 1103, we've 17 got Litvinenko 2 calling Lugovoy 1. 18 A. That's correct. 19 Q. Do you see that? I'm sorry, line 1102 -- 20 A. Is Lugovoy 1? 21 Q. Yes, let me start this -- because I think I've got my 22 lines mixed up. 1102, we've got Lugovoy 1 calling 23 Litvinenko 2. 24 A. Yes. 25 Q. So that's Mr Lugovoy's UK number that he's been using 79 1 quite consistently on his visits? 2 A. That's correct, yes. 3 Q. Calling Litvinenko 2 which is a business number that 4 Mr Litvinenko used, yes? 5 A. Yes. 6 Q. Because we can see elsewhere that when he phones his 7 wife, he uses Litvinenko 1. 8 A. That's correct, yes. 9 Q. Then at line -- the same numbers are in contact at line 10 1103, and then at 1105, what happens is that Mr Lugovoy 11 is using Lugovoy 4 to call Mr Litvinenko on that 12 business number. 13 A. Yes, he does. 14 Q. And Lugovoy 4, as we saw earlier, is a Russian number, 15 isn't it? 16 A. Yes. 17 Q. Then that number is used by Mr Lugovoy for a number of 18 calls in the next hour or so. 19 A. Yes. 20 Q. This contact between Lugovoy 1 and Litvinenko 2 that we 21 see in this middle of the afternoon this day, that's the 22 last time those two numbers are used, isn't it? 23 A. That's correct. 24 Q. Because of something that happens at this meeting that 25 they then have in the Palm Court Bar? 80 1 A. Yes, they do, they swap their SIM cards. 2 Q. Just before we get to that, let's just show 3 Mr Litvinenko coming to town. Can we have a look at 4 INQ006491, please. 5 On the top line that day, 27 October, at just before 6 noon he gets on a bus and on a very familiar route, goes 7 to Highgate tube, gets in at Highgate tube and comes out 8 at Tottenham Court Road just after 12.30? 9 A. Yes. 10 Q. One of the things that he does between that time and 11 meeting Mr Lugovoy is to buy these SIM cards, isn't it? 12 A. It is, yes. 13 Q. And for that, you have a statement by Mr Daniels, two 14 statements by Mr Daniels, is that right? 15 A. That's correct. 16 Q. Can we have the first one up on screen, please? It's 17 INQ003183. I'm sorry, it's my fault because I can't 18 read my own writing. INQ003133, please, my apologies. 19 Mr Daniels making a statement on 19 December? 20 A. Yes. 21 Q. He says he's employed by Orange as a sales assistant and 22 he'd been working at the branch at 383 Oxford Street, 23 London W1 for 14 months and was working that day, 24 27 October. 25 A. That's correct. 81 1 Q. Just to place it geographically, it's right, isn't it, 2 that 383 Oxford Street is just by Bond Street tube? 3 A. I believe so, yes. 4 Q. What Mr Daniels says is that he sold two SIM cards 5 for GBP 20. 6 A. Yes. 7 Q. He produces documents, and then in a second statement 8 which is at INQ016326, he explains that the SIMs are 9 actually free but you had to buy GBP 10 credit. 10 A. Yes. 11 Q. So, if we go to the actual receipts, can we please have 12 INQ006353? We see this receipt that in fact at the top 13 of that, just under the words "copy", it's got 14 Mr Daniels' first name, "Jermaine", on? 15 A. Yes. 16 Q. It shows two purchases of air time and then two free 17 SIMs? 18 A. Yes. 19 Q. And that's GBP 20 paid for with a Maestro debit card 20 there? 21 A. That's correct. 22 Q. That all illustrates what he had to say. 23 Just to show the way that this works with the cell 24 site evidence, could we have up, please, INQ019322? 25 Let's go straight to 322. You have here the cell site 82 1 mapping for about 5.00 on the 27th. 2 A. Yes. 3 Q. I should have said was just about the time that 4 Mr Daniels says that the SIMs were sold. 5 A. That's correct, yes. 6 Q. The two numbers that have been mapped here, 469 and 586, 7 they're both numbers of Mr Litvinenko's, aren't they? 8 A. Yes. 9 Q. That's existing numbers, not the new ones? 10 A. That's correct. 11 Q. We see the cell sites -- the cells that are being used 12 there all clustered around that area, near Bond Street 13 tube? 14 A. That's correct, yes. 15 Q. Mr Litvinenko then appears to have gone to the hotel 16 which we can see in fact on that map is down at the 17 bottom of the page. 18 A. Yes. 19 Q. Because if we go to the next page, 323, which is some 20 cell site mapping for the immediate following period, 21 160 we know is Mr Lugovoy, or one of Mr Lugovoy's 22 numbers, yes? 23 A. Yes. 24 Q. And then 586 is one of Mr Litvinenko's? 25 A. That's correct. 83 1 Q. We can see in the larger table on the left that the cell 2 which is right next to the hotel has got them at 17.16 3 and all the way through to about an hour later. 4 A. Yes. 5 Q. We've got a receipt from the Palm Court bar, haven't we, 6 for that time, at INQ006348. Do you see that, 7 27 October, 17.21? 8 A. Yes, that's correct. 9 Q. It ties in with the locations of the phones we've just 10 seen. 11 A. Yes. 12 Q. Can you help me with what the first line is? Is that 13 a whisky or brandy? Malt whisky, Mr O'Connor tells me 14 it's malt whisky. 15 A. It's something wood, I would go with that, yes. 16 Q. And two teas, presumably for Mr Litvinenko, and a cigar 17 for Mr Lugovoy? 18 A. Yes. 19 Q. Again he signs that, and charges it to his room? 20 A. Yes, that's correct, yes. 21 Q. Then if we go back to the Oyster card record, please, at 22 INQ006491, the fourth line on that page we see him at 23 6.36 pm, 18.36, back on the tube at Green Park? 24 A. Yes. 25 Q. Getting out at Highgate? 84 1 A. Yes. 2 Q. And then jumping on the bus presumably back towards his 3 home? 4 A. That's right. 5 Q. In fact as we have cell site information, can we have 6 a look at INQ019324? This is one of his phones, 7 Mr Litvinenko's phones, and we can see the journey that 8 he's taking. 18.32 down near the hotel. 9 A. Yes. 10 Q. Then three-quarters of an hour later, he's up near 11 East Finchley. 12 A. Yes, that's correct. 13 Q. As you have discovered, what is it that was done with 14 the SIM cards at this meeting at the Palm Court bar on 15 27 October? 16 A. What's happened with the original SIM cards, we do not 17 know, they've never been recovered. What I can say is 18 they've not been used again, but they were swapped and 19 new SIM cards were then put in the phones, which they 20 then used to communicate on. 21 Q. It's right, isn't it, without going through the tedious 22 paper trail of finding the numbers, it's right, isn't 23 it, that Mr Lugovoy began using a new SIM that had just 24 been bought? 25 A. Yes. 85 1 Q. With a phone number ending 420? 2 A. That's correct. 3 Q. That is the one we know as Lugovoy 2. 4 A. Yes. 5 Q. And that Mr Litvinenko also began using one of these new 6 SIMs with a phone number ending 707? 7 A. That's correct. 8 Q. Which we know as Litvinenko 3? 9 A. Yes. 10 Q. And which I identified on the front sheet earlier today. 11 A. Yes. 12 Q. Then at later times in the story, when we come back to 13 the telephone schedule, we'll see the two of them 14 contacting each other using these new numbers rather 15 than through the old ones? 16 A. Yes, we will, yes. 17 Q. After Mr Litvinenko went home that evening, it's right, 18 isn't it, that Mr Lugovoy then arranged to meet 19 Mr Voronoff, Vladimir Voronoff? 20 A. Yes, that's correct. 21 Q. He had been called by Mr Lugovoy immediately after he 22 arrived at Heathrow almost at midnight on 25 October? 23 A. That's right, yes. 24 Q. Mr Voronoff is also from CPL, Continental Petroleum, 25 isn't he? 86 1 A. He is. 2 Q. Just so that we can clear up any possible confusion, can 3 we have a look at the various spellings and variants of 4 this name that have been given for this particular 5 meeting. First of all, can we have a look at INQ002747. 6 You see this is the formal record of the meeting. Can 7 we have the top third of the page, please, from the 8 fourth line you see Mr Litvinenko saying that he agreed 9 to change the SIM card and that's why on the following 10 day, presumably the 27th, he took the one that was 11 bought. 12 A. Yes. 13 Q. "After the meeting, Litvinenko left the hotel and I met 14 with my friend Vladimir Voronin. He is a member of the 15 board of directors of Continental Petroleum Limited." 16 Then he says that they went to an Italian restaurant 17 in the Piccadilly area for about two hours. 18 Can we go on, please, to 002757, please. 19 In the middle of the page, there's a question: 20 "Who is Voronoff?" 21 A number of questions, and Mr Lugovoy's response 22 was: 23 "As I said before, Vladimir Lvovich Voronoff is my 24 acquaintance. He is a member of the board of directors 25 [of] CPL." 87 1 A. Yes. 2 Q. So there a closer spelling is given than Voronin which 3 has gone in before. 4 A. Yes. 5 Q. Also if we can have a look at INQ002703, it's the very 6 top of the page there: 7 "Litvinenko left the hotel and I then met with 8 Dmitri Voronoff, an official of CPL ..." 9 So giving a different first name. 10 A. Yes, that was made from the officer's notes that were 11 made post the event, so that might explain the mistake. 12 Q. Yes, and if we can go on to 708, please, in the middle 13 of the page there we see his note of that question: 14 "Varono? 15 "Answer: Vladimir Varonov is an official of CPL." 16 Mr Mascall, do you think it is tolerably clear that 17 given all the references to an official of CPL and the 18 sort of variants around Vladimir Voronoff which we know 19 to be his real name, that it must be this gentleman -- 20 A. And the explanations around who he is, yes. 21 Q. Thank you. So two hours having dinner with Mr Voronoff, 22 then Mr Lugovoy goes back to the Palm Court bar, doesn't 23 he? 24 A. He does. 25 Q. Can we have a look at INQ006349, please. 88 1 We see here this date and time is 27 October at 2 21.00. So that would give him a couple of hours or so 3 to have had dinner with Mr Voronoff? 4 A. Yes, that's correct. 5 Q. And he's ordered a couple more whiskys and another cigar 6 there? 7 A. Yes. 8 Q. Then we see that this slip is in a slightly different 9 format because the room charge is already printed on 10 there, do you see? 11 A. Yes. 12 Q. Under the total. Then there's another line saying 13 "closed 27 October 22.08". So we don't actually have 14 the signed slip on this occasion. 15 A. No. 16 Q. Now, given that this is slightly different and we don't 17 have the signed slip and it looks like this is one stage 18 further in the process, that the room charge has 19 actually been processed and this has been printed, does 20 that suggest anything to you about the date and time at 21 the top of the slip, the 21.00? 22 A. No, but I'm looking at the room charges. That means 23 that he's had it in his room as opposed to in the 24 Palm Court bar. 25 Q. As opposed to -- 89 1 A. Which would explain why he hasn't signed for it and they 2 have printed it off in the bar. 3 Q. That would be one explanation then. Or might it be that 4 he had signed for it, it had been processed and this 5 final slip has been printed? 6 A. Possibly. 7 Q. At any rate, there's a time of 21.00 at the top, and 8 then there's another time at which this tab is closed at 9 22.08. 10 A. Yes. 11 Q. Does that suggest anything to you about what the first 12 time must mean? 13 A. I mean, my view is that's the time he made the -- he 14 placed the order. 15 Q. Because that would then make sense with a later time 16 being the time that the payment has been processed. 17 A. Yes. 18 Q. But I suppose, Mr Mascall, that we would probably have 19 to go back to the Sheraton to ask for confirmation of 20 that if we needed to. 21 A. We would, yes. 22 Q. Thank you. One final thing that we have from this 23 evening is that at about 9.45 this evening, so about 24 three-quarters of an hour after this particular order at 25 the Palm Court bar, or we suppose the order, and shortly 90 1 before the tab is formally closed, Mr Henning told us, 2 didn't he, that Mr Lugovoy had made a call from his room 3 to a number that ended 666? 4 A. That's correct. 5 Q. Which we know to be Mr Patarkatsishvili's number, 6 a number for him? 7 A. That's correct, yes. 8 Q. We can actually see that in the telephone schedule, 9 can't we? 10 A. Yes. 11 Q. If we go to page INQ017878. No, I'm sorry, that is one 12 that we don't have. No, sorry. Forgive me. That's 13 a mistake in my notes. 14 We have already seen Mr Henning say that Mr Lugovoy 15 checked out very early in the morning, about 5.30, on 16 the 28th. 17 A. Yes. 18 Q. Because he had an early flight to catch. We can see 19 from the BA records, can't we, that that flight operated 20 that day. Can we have up INQ019291, please. We see at 21 the top of the page there flight 872 as he'd originally 22 booked going back to Domodedovo. 23 A. Yes. 24 Q. Then if we look down the actual times in -- just to the 25 right there, please, the actual times, local time, 91 1 28 October, 09.10. 2 A. Yes. 3 Q. So delayed but only fractionally delayed this time, and 4 then he arrives back in Moscow at local time 5 28 October 15.49. 6 A. Yes. 7 Q. Then if we can just go to the bottom of the page, 8 please, on to the code section, do we see that it so 9 happens that the aircraft this time was again G-BNWX? 10 A. Yes, the same plane he travelled to England on on the 11 25th, yes. 12 Q. Then if we look at the passenger manifest for this 13 flight, please, can we start at INQ006454, please. 14 Again, we can see from the columns it's Heathrow to 15 Moscow on BA 872. And then if we go to page 456, 16 please, the one line that isn't redacted we see 17 Mr Lugovoy there? 18 A. That's correct. 19 Q. And the seat number 4A. 20 A. Yes. 21 Q. And a number in the right-hand column 146 showing that 22 he did check in and fly this flight? 23 A. Yes. 24 Q. Just to complete the picture with British Airways 25 aircraft for the purposes of contamination evidence, 92 1 can I just ask you to look at the operational logs for 2 the other British Airways flights that were involved in 3 this case. 4 A. Yes. 5 Q. INQ015088, please. This is -- I don't think we need to 6 enlarge it, but -- are you having difficulty seeing it? 7 A. No, something just caught my eye. 8 Q. Let's just have the top half. I'll tell you what this 9 is, this is BA 881 on 31 October. It was the early 10 morning flight from Moscow. It left at about 5.45 in 11 the morning. 12 A. Yes. 13 Q. This flight took one of Mr Lugovoy's daughters and her 14 boyfriend from Moscow to London? 15 A. That's correct, yes. 16 Q. So if we go to the bottom of this page, please, for the 17 aircraft registration, we can see that's GEUUG. 18 A. Yes. 19 Q. Then the next aircraft involved is at INQ015087. Can we 20 have the top half of the page, please? 31 October 21 again, but this is BA 873, leaving -- the actual 22 departure time is a more sociable 17.09 on 31 October? 23 A. Yes. 24 Q. And this aircraft carried Mr and Mrs Lugovoy, the other 25 two children and Mr Sokolenko? 93 1 A. That's correct, yes. 2 Q. If we then go to the bottom of this page, please, we see 3 the aircraft there is G-BNWB? 4 A. Yes. 5 Q. The next one, please, is INQ006387. Again, top half of 6 the page, please. Now, this is 3 November, and this is 7 Heathrow to Moscow, and is a lunchtime flight there, 8 12.31. Everybody -- all the whole Russian contingent 9 went back on the same flight, didn't they? 10 A. Including Mr Kovtun, yes. 11 Q. Including Mr Kovtun. And if we go to the bottom of this 12 page, please, we can see that this aircraft was G-BZHA. 13 A. That's correct. 14 Q. Then finally, can we have a look, please, at INQ006388, 15 the top half of the page. 16 This is for a flight on 10 November from Moscow to 17 London, BA 861. 18 A. Yes. 19 Q. It's right, isn't it, that this is a flight that 20 Mr Kovtun was booked on but did not fly. 21 A. That's correct, yes. 22 Q. Just so that the picture is complete, can we go to the 23 bottom of this page and we see there that the aircraft 24 this time was GEUU -- it's either a C or a G, I'm not 25 quite sure which? 94 1 A. Yes. 2 Q. But at least for today's purposes, that shows that BNWX 3 was the aircraft that carried Mr Lugovoy to London and 4 back to Moscow at the end of October 2006. 5 A. Yes. 6 Q. But those were the only two flights in which that 7 aircraft was involved? 8 A. Yes. 9 Q. And we can see the registrations for the other aircraft 10 which include BZHA. 11 A. Yes. 12 Q. Because what I want to do now, Mr Mascall -- I think it 13 will take us probably nicely up to the lunch break -- is 14 to look at the contamination of the various scenes that 15 were involved in this part of the story. 16 A. Yes. 17 Q. The first of them is the aircraft themselves. 18 It's right that there were quite a lot of people 19 involved in looking for contamination and testing for 20 it? 21 A. Yes, there was. 22 Q. I'm sure that I won't be able to mention everybody 23 involved in each part of it, but one of the people 24 involved in testing for the aircraft was a police 25 officer called Malcolm Wilson, wasn't it? 95 1 A. That's correct, sir, yes. 2 Q. Relevantly, we have a statement from him at INQ007608. 3 He introduces himself and then he says that on 4 29 November, he went to a BA facility at Heathrow in 5 company with DS Tower and scientists A4, A5 and A13, and 6 the purpose was to look at two BA Boeing 767s which were 7 BZHA and BNWX? 8 A. Yes. 9 Q. Now, in the next paragraph, he says that they entered 10 the plane, it doesn't actually specify which at that 11 stage. 12 A. Yes. 13 Q. But if we go over the page to the next page, please, if 14 we can have two-thirds of the page magnified, please. 15 We see that at the end of the first paragraph there, 16 he says: 17 "Following the trace found on seat 16D, I was asked 18 to stop the examination ... and to move on to the other 19 aircraft ..." 20 A. Yes. 21 Q. Then at the beginning of the next paragraph, they 22 entered that other aircraft, and then two lines further 23 down: 24 "We were then advised by BA staff that this aircraft 25 BNWX had undergone refurbishment." 96 1 A. Yes. 2 Q. So it looks like they went into BZHA first and then they 3 went into BNWX second. 4 A. Yes. 5 Q. In fact there's a log that was made. If we can have up, 6 please, INQ019214, we can actually see that more 7 explicitly set out, 3.30 pm: 8 "Search of G-BZHA commenced ..." 9 A. Yes. 10 Q. "Positive trace seat 16D." 11 A. That's correct. 12 Q. Then 4.15: 13 "Suspend search. Move to G-BNWX ..." 14 A. Yes. 15 Q. So that was the correct order. Thank you. Can we 16 please go back to 007609? In the middle paragraph 17 there, you see he describes the testing being done. 18 They were told that about half the seats on the aircraft 19 had been replaced with seats removed, being sent away 20 for updating, and the remainder of the seats on the 21 aircraft could have changed position and that a large 22 proportion of the carpet had been replaced. They 23 therefore decided to test all of the seats on the 24 aircraft. 25 A. Yes. 97 1 Q. Together with all toilets and the hold. And then he 2 describes the various hits that they found, a hit on 16K 3 at that stage, yes? 4 A. Yes, but just to clarify that, sir, where the seats are 5 listed there, they were targeted seats because 6 Mr Lugovoy had sat in those seats, but what I can say is 7 all of the seats were tested on all of the planes. 8 Q. Right. On this aircraft, what Mr Wilson says is that 9 all the seats would be checked. 10 A. That's correct. 11 Q. If you go to the second line of this extract, we see 12 that DS Tower had advised him that the following seats 13 were of interest: 6K, 4A, 23D and 16D. 14 A. That's correct. 15 Q. Now, 6K and 4A were the two seats that Mr Lugovoy had 16 been allocated on this trip, 25 and 28 October. 17 A. Yes. 18 Q. And 23D and 16D were on the other trip? 19 A. The other flight. 20 Q. The other flight that he took on BZHA, is that right? 21 A. I'd have to check. They are all of his seat numbers for 22 his journeys for the three different periods that we're 23 talking about. 24 Q. We can check that in due course. 25 A. Yes. 98 1 Q. But at any rate, what was found when Mr Wilson was there 2 was a hit on a seat which was none of those, but on 16K. 3 A. That's correct. 4 Q. And then photos were taken. It's right, isn't it, that 5 after that had been done, the HPA, the Health Protection 6 Agency, was also there and they were also doing some 7 examination as well. 8 A. That's correct. 9 Q. If we go on, please, to page 7611, at the top paragraph 10 there, we see that he says that the photographer -- and 11 that's the police photographer, isn't it? 12 A. Yes. 13 Q. -- went back on to NWX to photograph the overhead locker 14 above seats 6J and 6K where the HPA had found a trace of 15 contamination. 16 A. And that was above the seat on that particular plane 17 where Mr Lugovoy had sat. 18 Q. So much closer to where he had been allocated. 19 A. That's correct. 20 THE CHAIRMAN: That's where he'd sat on the Moscow to London 21 flight? 22 A. The plane, sir, that was used to fly in the October 23 period, sir, the 25th and the plane that he flew over on 24 the 25th and the plane that he flew back on the 28th is 25 the same plane. 99 1 THE CHAIRMAN: It was the same plane, but on the way in he'd 2 sat in 6K. 3 A. That's correct. 4 THE CHAIRMAN: Yes. 5 MR TAM: Amongst the statements that we've got, there is 6 also one from A4, isn't there, which we have at 7 INQ007577. We don't need to go through all of this, but 8 if we go to the second page. No, sorry, before doing 9 that, let's have a look at the bottom of that first page 10 where she -- I don't know if it's a he or she -- says 11 that alpha radiation was detected and confirmed by both 12 search officers on one seat. That's going over to the 13 top of the next page, please. 14 A. Yes. 15 Q. "The location and intensity levels were recorded ... 16 A smear ... was taken ..." 17 Then we see the smear there described as the seat of 18 16K. 19 A. Yes. 20 Q. Mr Potter of the HPA also made a statement about this at 21 INQ007747. At the bottom of that page, he describes the 22 monitoring of those two aircraft, NWX and ZHA. 23 A. Yes. 24 Q. One of the things he produces is a survey sheet which we 25 have at INQ007754. We see there in the top right-hand 100 1 corner a survey number identifying that this is for 2 G-BNWX. 3 A. Yes. 4 Q. And then halfway down the page, in fact at line 12 of 5 the table, do you see at line 12 it says: 6 "Overhead locker above row 6, seats K and J (inside 7 floor of locker)." 8 There's a count there of -- I think that's 8. 9 A. Yes. 10 Q. I'm not sure quite what the squiggle is, but there's 11 certainly the digit "8" there. Then he says it was 12 wiped and bagged. 13 A. Yes. 14 Q. It's right, isn't it, that all of this is then put into 15 the master -- or has been put into the master 16 contamination schedule? 17 A. That is correct, all of the readings are there. 18 Q. If we can have up, please, INQ017934, that's the front 19 sheet of that, isn't it? 20 A. Yes, an index. 21 Q. We can see all of the locations are listed there. This 22 aircraft isn't actually on this page, but I don't think 23 we need to find it on the table. Can we go on within 24 the schedule, please, to 018029. 25 We have here the start of the table relating to this 101 1 aircraft. Is that right? 2 A. Yes. 3 Q. In the first section where the agency doing the 4 monitoring is AWE, we see that count, don't we, for 16K? 5 A. Yes. 6 Q. 14 to 15, and also a slightly lower count for the arm 7 rest? 8 A. Yes. 9 Q. The same in the next section, the same date, the police 10 recording the same count from the same seat, do you see 11 14 to 15? 12 A. Yes. 13 Q. Then in the next section, when the HPA was testing, 14 there is a hit for the overhead locker, that last line 15 there, 8, inside floor of locker? 16 A. Yes. 17 Q. And so on and so forth, and we have all of the 18 contamination evidence reduced into this schedule so 19 that we can see it. 20 A. Yes, this is reduced. Every reading from every scene is 21 in this schedule. 22 Q. Because in fact if we go on to the next page, 030, do 23 you see there's more results set out there in the 24 table -- 25 A. Yes. 102 1 Q. -- on that day, and that carries on to the third of 2 these three pages, at 031. 3 Then it will be for the scientist to tell us what 4 more we get out of these numbers. 5 A. Yes. 6 Q. Can I then ask you a little bit about the seats, the 7 seats that were removed from the aircraft? 8 A. Yes. 9 Q. The aircraft itself was at Heathrow but the seats that 10 had been removed from the aircraft were where? 11 A. They were in Blackwood in Wales and the reason they were 12 removed was for routine cleaning and refurbishment and 13 they were removed on 1 November. 14 Q. Was there any specific record kept, as far as you know, 15 of where all these seats had been before they were 16 either removed or, for that matter, replaced in the 17 aircraft? 18 A. There's not a clear record, no. There is a system where 19 labels are put on the seats, but, as we've ascertained, 20 these labels are often moved or replaced and not put 21 back in the same position. 22 Q. So can we go, please, to the record of the checking of 23 the seats that were in Blackwood, which is INQ019238. 24 It's right, isn't it, that this was being done by 25 the HPA? 103 1 A. That's correct. 2 Q. So their processes and procedures are not quite the same 3 as the police's procedures for doing it? 4 A. Very similar, but the police would have a photographer 5 with them, they would photograph what they're doing 6 before and afterwards. 7 Q. If we go on within this document to page 242, please, we 8 see here the survey results, nothing detected on the 9 trailer, nothing detected on 115 seats, but there were 10 three specific seats where there was contamination: 14A, 11 14B and 13A, under the drop-down table. 12 A. Yes. 13 Q. Are you confident that the finding of contamination and 14 the recording of the results is accurate? 15 A. Yes. 16 Q. What about the 14A, 14B and 13A? Do you think we can 17 rely on them as an indication of where those seats had 18 been on the aircraft on 25 and 28 October? 19 A. We can only go by what we've been told, sir. It's very 20 unclear as to whether the seat labelled 14A is from 21 where it says it's from. 22 Q. But are you at least satisfied that these seats at 23 Blackwood did come from NWX? 24 A. Yes. 25 Q. Can I then turn to the hotel, please? One of the people 104 1 involved in looking at the hotel -- sorry, before I do 2 that, I should say the Blackwood results were also put 3 on to the master schedule in the same way? 4 A. Yes, they were. 5 Q. I don't think there's any need to go back to all of 6 those pages every time. 7 But going to the hotel, Scientist A3 was one of the 8 people involved in this. We have a statement from that 9 witness at INQ007594, and this witness describes being 10 tasked -- sorry, at paragraph 3 there, being tasked to 11 monitor radioactivity, do you see that? 12 A. Yes. 13 Q. Then going over the page, the next page, at 595, do you 14 see the second paragraph, the witness says: 15 "Prior to entry, I had been informed that the Health 16 Protection Agency had monitored and decontaminated 17 the ... corridor outside ... 848 ..." 18 A. Yes. 19 Q. Then can we have the second half of the page, please? 20 A3 says: 21 "At my request, a further survey was carried out of 22 the corridor, and the external surfaces of the door to 23 room 848." 24 And: 25 "Areas of greater than 90 counts per second were 105 1 found in the corridor and full scale deflection was 2 discovered on the door to room 848." 3 As a result they all retreated to put on more 4 protective equipment. 5 A. Yes. 6 Q. Because when they then entered the room, in the second 7 half of that paragraph, they found more areas of full 8 scale deflection, is that right? 9 A. That's correct, yes. 10 Q. Eventually the two scientists who were actually in there 11 asked to withdraw from the room and the team was stood 12 down. 13 A. That's correct. 14 Q. Again, without doing all of the detail orally when we 15 have it all written down and we can look it up, is it 16 right to say that there were areas of contamination in 17 this room which were very high? 18 A. I'll put that as an understatement, sir. It was the 19 highest readings in the entire investigation. 20 Q. This is one of the areas that's been put into the 21 graphics, isn't it? 22 A. It is. 23 Q. Can we have that up at INQ017917, please. This is room 24 848 at the Park Lane Hotel. If we go on to the next 25 page to start off with, we have the plan of the room, 106 1 and we can see that this is curved as suggested by that 2 plan, that floor plan that we saw earlier. 3 A. Yes. 4 Q. The floor plan didn't quite indicate that it was quite 5 so circular. Which is more accurate, this or the floor 6 plan that we saw -- 7 A. This is, and that's why I paused when you pulled that 8 plan up earlier because I was there when they turned up 9 to screen the room. I've since found out that this 10 model was done by actually modelling the room opposite, 11 and then the image was reversed, because this room was 12 so contaminated it was too dangerous for the people 13 doing the digital reproduction to go into it. 14 So what you're seeing is the right room, but it's 15 the room opposite, which is the direct opposite of this 16 room, and it's been digitally flipped over. 17 Q. Okay, so despite the way in which the graphics have been 18 constructed, is this an accurate depiction of the room 19 itself? 20 A. It is a curved room, yes, and it's got a curved corridor 21 as well. 22 Q. If we can go on to the next page, please, this is the 23 bedroom part of this room. We can see there that there 24 are quite a lot of areas with contamination on them, the 25 green areas. 107 1 A. Yes. 2 Q. There's something on the desk, a guest directory there, 3 which is particularly high. Is that right? 4 A. Yes. 5 Q. Sitting on the desk. Also, there's a bedside table in 6 the top left-hand corner there, that's got a higher 7 reading as well, hasn't it, because that's in the yellow 8 band? 9 A. Yes. 10 Q. Together with the table that's down at the bottom of the 11 room and also the floor. 12 A. Yes. 13 Q. Given that these are blocks of colour over quite large 14 areas, is it right that this representation is of the 15 highest level of contamination found on a particular 16 object? 17 A. That's correct. 18 Q. If we go over to the next page, this is the hallway, 19 isn't it, of the room? 20 A. Yes. 21 Q. With the bedroom off towards the top left? 22 A. That's correct. 23 Q. We can see that the door is very highly contaminated. 24 A. Yes. 25 Q. Then there are also spots of contamination on the floor 108 1 there. 2 A. Yes. 3 Q. In the picture on the bottom right, which is a cupboard 4 with the mini safe in, and a phone book, the phone book 5 has got quite a lot of contamination? 6 A. Yes. 7 Q. And less on the other items. Then can we go to the 8 bathroom, please. 9 We can see a lot of areas here with a lot of 10 contamination, don't we? The wall by the sink. Looking 11 at the image in the top right-hand corner. 12 A. Yes. 13 Q. And not quite so much, but still quite high 14 contamination on the floor and on the toilet seat. 15 A. Yes. 16 Q. And less on some of the other areas. 17 A. Yes. 18 Q. We see there a pedal bin of which the photo has been 19 taken, and we can see that the graphic actually has that 20 with the lid open, just above the toilet seat in that 21 top right-hand image. 22 A. Yes. 23 Q. Can you tell us what were the levels of contamination 24 found in and around the bin in terms of whether they are 25 high or low rather than specific figures? 109 1 A. Exceptionally high, the highest we'd seen. 2 Q. The bathroom is a good place to find towels, obviously. 3 A. Yes. 4 Q. Did that cause the investigation to look into the hotel 5 laundry? 6 A. Yes. I mean, the whole hotel was effectively screened, 7 but, yes, we did look in the laundry. 8 Q. Was the laundry of particular interest? 9 A. Yes, it was. 10 Q. One of your fellow officers, Mr Hall, was one of the 11 people who investigated that, wasn't he? 12 A. Yes, he did. 13 Q. At some stage I think you also went to the laundry to 14 look at it? 15 A. Yes, I did. 16 Q. Can we first of all have Mr Hall's statement, INQ007738. 17 He describes there going to the laundry room on 18 17 January 2007. 19 A. Yes. 20 Q. And conducting a survey of that, and we have the detail 21 in his statement there. 22 A. Yes. 23 Q. Without going into all of the fine detail of it, is it 24 right that among the items of interest in the laundry 25 were the fact that first of all the washing machines in 110 1 the laundry were contaminated? 2 A. Yes. 3 Q. And also that there were two towels found that were of 4 particular interest? 5 A. Yes. 6 Q. And particularly heavily contaminated? 7 A. Yes. 8 Q. Can you just tell us, first of all, where were the 9 towels found? 10 A. In a huge pile at the bottom of the laundry chute. 11 Q. The laundry chute, that suggests that that's a sort of 12 chimney-type thing that laundry is pushed down from 13 upper floors. Is that right? 14 A. Yes, it's a huge three foot by three foot metal tube 15 that runs the full height of the hotel and services 16 every single floor in the hotel. 17 Q. Just tell us roughly when was it that you yourself went 18 to see the laundry room? 19 A. About two months ago. 20 Q. At the time that you went to see it, were the systems in 21 place for dealing with laundry the same as they had been 22 at the time of these events we're looking at? 23 A. Yes, the only thing that's changed is that before, all 24 the laundry used to backlog up the chutes and it used to 25 spill out into the laundry room. Now they have 111 1 a special metal catcher that stops it from just tumbling 2 out across the floor. 3 Q. Were you told how the system had worked and what 4 actually happened with the laundry coming down the chute 5 at the time of these events? 6 A. Yes, and it hasn't changed. It comes down the chute, it 7 sits in the chute and now the catcher, until the laundry 8 staff effectively take it and wash it. 9 Q. Would there sometimes be a backlog of laundry coming 10 down the chute, ie building up -- physically building up 11 inside the chute? 12 A. Yes, when we turned up to examine this scene, not when 13 I went, when the officers turned up to examine the 14 scene, it was backlogged all the way up the chute. 15 Q. How far up the chute? 16 A. I cannot say, but I can tell from the pictures I've 17 seen, it's certainly several feet up. 18 Q. Right. Now, is it right that during the investigation, 19 your colleagues did take some photos of the laundry room 20 and the chute? 21 A. Yes, they did. 22 Q. Do you have a photo or a print of those photos with you? 23 A. I do. 24 Q. There's one that you've got open there which shows the 25 laundry cascading out of the chute, doesn't it? 112 1 A. Yes. 2 Q. I think cascading may be the wrong word because it 3 wasn't moving? 4 A. No, it was rammed solid. 5 Q. Perhaps we could just pop that up -- could we pop that 6 up on to the projector, please. 7 So there we see the bottom of the chute, don't we? 8 A. Yes. 9 Q. Laundry just tumbling out of it. 10 A. There's another picture that shows with the flap lifted 11 up. 12 Q. I think that gives us -- we see the laundry backing up 13 the chute? 14 A. Yes. 15 Q. Did it look a bit like that when you were there? 16 A. It wasn't as rammed as that, no, but it was spilling 17 out. 18 Q. Okay, so this was more rammed than when you saw it? 19 A. Yes. 20 Q. Obviously the catcher was not in place at that time? 21 A. No. 22 Q. The towels that were found were very, very highly 23 contaminated, weren't they? 24 A. Very high, yes, they were the two items that were the 25 highest. 113 1 Q. Because somebody might ask if the towels were found 2 in January 2007, and Mr Lugovoy had stayed at this hotel 3 for relevant purposes in late October 2006, so three 4 months before, how come there would be highly 5 contaminated towels still in the laundry room? Do you 6 have any theories about that? 7 A. It would only be speculation on my own behalf. From 8 seeing the pile, if a towel was to sit at the bottom and 9 there's continually piles coming down on top and they 10 just keep taking it off the top and they never actually 11 clear the bottom, is it feasible that it could have 12 stayed there; that's one explanation. Scientist A may 13 be able to give you a different explanation. 14 Q. So from what you were able to discover and the 15 investigation was able to discover, nobody would be able 16 to tell you whether or not those towels had actually 17 been laundered since the end of October? 18 A. That's correct. 19 Q. Can we just have a quick look at the contamination 20 schedule? 21 Actually, sir, I'm looking at the time. I have, 22 I think, probably another ten or so minutes to complete 23 today's evidence, and I'm in your hands as to whether or 24 not you -- 25 THE CHAIRMAN: Provided our Transcend team are happy to 114 1 continue for another ten minutes -- I see heads 2 nodding -- we'll carry on. 3 MR TAM: I'm very grateful. Mr Mascall can we have a look, 4 please, at INQ018033. 5 We see here the part of the contamination schedule 6 that deals with the hotel, and looking at this page, 7 this is the first lot of monitoring of room 848, isn't 8 it? 9 A. Yes. 10 Q. We see that here you can immediately see there's counts 11 of 1,800 to 2,000 for the door panel above the key of 12 that room? 13 A. Yes. 14 Q. And then another very high count on the bathroom door 15 plate? 16 A. Yes. 17 Q. Again, without going through all the detail of the 18 dozens of pages here, they were findings that were 19 repeated on a number of occasions, weren't they? 20 A. Yes, but in comparison what I would say, sir, is they're 21 very low readings compared to other readings that have 22 been found. 23 Q. We will be able to extract the details of that from the 24 schedule, but can I just ask you to complete this by 25 looking at page 870. 115 1 I do need to ask you something about this first 2 section on 17 January, MPS. The counts per second 3 column is normally exactly what it says, isn't it? 4 A. Yes. 5 Q. The result for testing a particular thing. Where it 6 says "contaminated towels, less than 20", does the 7 format of the table change somewhat at this point? You 8 see it says "contaminated towels, less than 20", then in 9 the counts per second column, it says 903 dirty, 1,205 10 cleaned, do you see that? 11 A. Yes. 12 Q. Now, the 903 and 1,205, are they counts per second or do 13 they represent something else? 14 A. My understanding of that is the contaminated towels were 15 less than 20 counts per second, and they've checked 903 16 dirty towels and 1,205 clean towels, but -- 17 Q. And all of those had counts of less than 20? 18 A. Yes. 19 Q. Then in the next line, "contaminated towels more than 20 20", they found 25 towels that had a count of greater 21 than 20, 16 of them dirty towels, 9 of them clean? 22 A. Yes. I don't understand why it's been put that way 23 round, but that's what it means, yes. 24 Q. Thank you. Then in the bottom half of that page, do we 25 have one white hand towel at base of laundry chute? 116 1 A. Yes, at the time it was measured -- their equipment 2 could only measure up to that, it was in excess of 3 10,000 counts per second. 4 Q. Then subsequently, AWE, using the different unit of 5 becquerels per square centimetre, got 17 million? 6 A. 17 million, yes. 7 Q. Then the bath towel also found in the green laundry bag 8 on a shelf in the laundry room, counts per second of up 9 to 6,000? 10 A. Yes, again that would have gone off their scale on their 11 machine. 12 Q. Yes, and then AWE got 130,000 becquerels per square 13 centimetre? 14 A. That's correct. 15 Q. Those are the readings off those two towels? 16 A. Yes. 17 Q. Finally for contamination for today, can I turn to the 18 question of the car. 19 A. Yes. 20 Q. Mr Bonetti's car which was also checked for 21 contamination, wasn't it? 22 A. (Witness nods). 23 Q. Mr Hall made a witness statement about this, INQ007734. 24 A. Yes. 25 Q. At the next page, 735, he gives a number of readings 117 1 there that were found by the scientists with him. 2 A. Yes. 3 Q. It's right, isn't it, that all of the contamination was 4 found on the inside of the car, because the outside was 5 found to be clear of contamination, but we can see from 6 those numbers in the top half of the page there that the 7 highest levels of contamination, or the highest level, 8 was the rear near side passenger seat. 9 A. Yes, that's more consistent with where Mr Lugovoy sat in 10 the car, yes. 11 Q. Exactly. It's right, isn't it, that the CPL office was 12 also found to be contaminated? 13 A. Yes, it was. 14 Q. But because Mr Lugovoy and Mr Kovtun and indeed other 15 people have been there on a number of occasions, other 16 people in our story, have been there on a number of 17 occasions, and we will be having more evidence about the 18 meetings on 1 and 2 November next week, what I propose 19 to do is to leave that evidence until next week when 20 we've heard some of the detail from those witnesses. 21 A. Yes. 22 Q. That leaves just one final thing to ask you about today 23 which is this: it's right, isn't it, that Mr Litvinenko 24 himself said very little about these meetings on 26 and 25 27 October? 118 1 A. That's correct. 2 Q. If we look at one of his interviews with Mr Hyatt at 3 INQ016606, please. 4 In the bottom half of the page, do you see Mr Hyatt 5 asked the question: 6 "Right, and what was the last time that Edwin met 7 with Andrei before 1 November?" 8 And Mr Litvinenko says: 9 "Before 1 November? About probably ... I'll just 10 look it up. It was 27 of ... 27 October." 11 A. Yes. 12 Q. Then he says: 13 "And it was then that he introduced me to Va ... 14 well, roughly approximately on that day. I have a note 15 on this day, and then he first introduced me to Vadik, 16 to this Volodia." 17 A. Yes. 18 Q. That's a reference to Mr Kovtun, isn't it? 19 A. I believe it is, yes. 20 Q. This is Mr Litvinenko apparently talking about events on 21 16 and 17 October. 22 A. Yes. 23 Q. In fact if we go on to the next page, you see there's 24 more reference to Volodia, and then also a visit to 25 Global Risk, visiting Dean's office, meeting up with Tim 119 1 Raylee or Raleigh, we now know it's Mr Reilly who gave 2 evidence last week. So this is all from 16, 17, 3 18 October visit? 4 A. Yes, he was confused with his dates. 5 Q. In fact if we jump on to 618, please, sorry, 016618, and 6 the bottom half of the page, please, Mr Litvinenko says: 7 "So when I arrived home on that day on the 27th, 8 I came home at 11.00. About half an hour after 9 I arrived home, they called me themselves and said they 10 had found a rickshaw and were riding on the rickshaw 11 around London." 12 This is after referring earlier on the page to the 13 Chinese restaurant. 14 A. Yes. 15 Q. So obviously this is all 16, 17, 18 October and he's got 16 the dates confused? 17 A. That's correct, yes. 18 Q. The only other reference I think I could find to this is 19 INQ016574. 20 Here he's describing events on 1 November. You see 21 at the bottom half he leaves Itsu, goes from Itsu to 22 meet Andrei, yes? 23 A. Yes. 24 Q. "I called him [he called Lugovoy]. 25 "He said let's do it earlier, my meeting has 120 1 finished, but at the same time he asked me to buy him 2 a new SIM card for his telephone because his SIM card 3 was sort of finishing ... and this card was being paid 4 for by Global Risk. Well, we don't feel comfortable 5 asking them to pay for us and he said I'd rather pay for 6 it myself, buy me a new SIM card, and this card I will 7 pay myself. I quickly went to the shop in the street, 8 Oxford Circus. I walked as far as Oxford Circus, 9 straight along Bond Street, and I think in an Orange 10 shop in Bond Street ..." 11 Then he buys two SIM cards for GBP 20? 12 A. Yes. 13 Q. So although he's placing this in the 1 November 14 narrative, he's obviously referring to this purchase on 15 27 October. 16 A. Yes. 17 Q. We've seen the receipts for that, haven't we? 18 If we go down to the -- yes, in fact actually 19 I think if we go over to the next page. After the 20 reference to HSBC he says: 21 "That's my last purchase and the receipts are at 22 home ... 23 "Question: Can I clarify where this purchase was 24 made?" 25 Then Mr Litvinenko says: 121 1 "I'm sorry, one second. I made a mistake. This 2 purchase I made for him during our penultimate meeting 3 when Lugovoy came. Sorry, I was mistaken. 4 "The Interpreter: Not this one? 5 "Answer: No, the penultimate. But there are 6 telephone numbers because when he came over on this 7 occasion Lugovoy used these particular numbers", 8 et cetera? 9 A. Yes. 10 Q. So at that point, he then remembers that actually it 11 wasn't 1 November but a previous meeting. 12 A. Yes. 13 Q. Even though he hadn't managed to describe that 14 accurately in the previous interview. 15 A. No, that's correct. 16 MR TAM: Yes, Mr Mascall, thank you. 17 THE CHAIRMAN: Yes, Mr Straw. 18 MR STRAW: I'm sorry to you and everyone else to delay your 19 lunch. 20 THE CHAIRMAN: I should have asked you if you were going to 21 be asking any questions, but, yes? 22 Questions by MR STRAW 23 MR STRAW: Thank you. Mr Mascall, you've described the 24 laundry chute where the very contaminated towels were 25 found at the bottom of in the Sheraton Hotel. 122 1 A. Yes. 2 Q. Was there an access point to that chute on floor 8, the 3 floor where Mr Lugovoy's room was? 4 A. On floor 8? Yes, there was. 5 Q. Was that access point contaminated? 6 A. Yes, it was. 7 Q. Were any other access points on the other floors 8 contaminated? 9 A. I would have to check. 10 Q. If it helps your statement at paragraph 122 says: 11 "Apart from the chute on the 8th floor, no other 12 chute was found to be contaminated." 13 A. The reason why I say I'd have to check is I've got 14 a feeling that on checking the master schedule there may 15 be other floors with contaminated laundry on them which 16 has contaminated the chutes. 17 Q. The room that Mr Lugovoy stayed in there, room 18 number 848, the evidence indicates, doesn't it, that he 19 stayed there alone? 20 A. That's correct. 21 Q. And indeed the evidence indicates that no one visited 22 him in that room? 23 A. That's correct. 24 Q. So, for example, we have seen Mr Lugovoy's interview 25 where he describes the meetings with Mr Litvinenko in 123 1 the bar downstairs on 26 and also 27 October, but those 2 indicate, don't they, that Mr Litvinenko didn't come up 3 to Mr Lugovoy's room? 4 A. I've seen no evidence, sir, to show that Mr Lugovoy -- 5 Mr Litvinenko went up to Mr Lugovoy's room. 6 Q. The final question, then -- thank you -- you've 7 described that Mr Litvinenko took a number of buses 8 during this period from 26 and 27 October in particular, 9 to and from his meetings with Mr Lugovoy. 10 A. Yes. 11 Q. Were the buses tested for contamination and if so was 12 any contamination found? 13 A. Some of them were, some of them weren't, and no 14 contamination was found on the buses that were detected. 15 MR STRAW: Thank you very much. 16 THE CHAIRMAN: Thank you very much, Mr Mascall. 17 So that's as far as we go this week. 18 MR TAM: Sir, yes, for reasons which were outlined last week 19 unfortunately we can't proceed tomorrow or Thursday, but 20 we will have a full week of evidence next week. 21 THE CHAIRMAN: Yes. We'll reassemble at 10.00 on Monday 22 morning. 23 (1.15 pm) 24 (The Inquiry adjourned until 10.00 am on Monday, 25 23 February 2015) 


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